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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 3, 2020
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cnagendranmca
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But you can payoff your PMI interest in advance with some lenders.
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micky_d
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Quote from gk6740 :
Let me say it another way.
If you had a loan for $300k, and then sold the house a month later, you would have to pay off the loan with a balance of around $299,800 (rough estimate). And if you had given the $50k of interest, what do you think would happen to that $50k? Tough $shit.

But, if you had paid $50k in principle, you would then owe only $249,800.

The interest is not fixed for 30 years. The percent is fixed and it is applied monthly towards the current balance.
Thanks .. someone said that you could do it. I did not know how due to reasons you guys mentioned. I wasn't sure if that was something you do when were getting the loan. I will need to ask them again, perhaps they also meant reducing the principle but then that's common knowledge Smilie
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appleceo
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Quote from MrDioji :
I just got another LE from AimLoan. If your credit is frozen, just go through the application process and you'll get a chance to print the LE after submitting.
Did you actually get the LE in the official format during the online application process? The format that I could print was a different format.
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MerryFuel495
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Quote from nicemann :
Way too many factors. It all depends on your credit score, loan amount, loan to value, and where you live. There has been many sites posted here to check rates instantly.
Can I get a link to that post or those websites?

I have heard difficult to get good rates on 30 year fixed jumbo loans for refinance.
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tayninh
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Quote from gk6740 :
I am sure some run into this. Maybe something about your loan that the do not like? No idea.

I think I have only talked to someone on the phone maybe once. Maybe none. Got at least 4 different LE from them before I locked. Got emails from various people as it moved through the process including their title company. Sent a better title estimate and lowered it the same day to match. From first email to final disclosure was about 10 days. Mainly because I sent them multiple competing LE. I am doing a $180k refi with 746 FICO, 30% LTV.

Got note today asking for AMEX account for eventual credit. Closing has $2,200 for all costs and a $1210 credit from lender. So about $1000 for closing, and $2500 credit later.
Hey gk6740, thanks for your response to my other posts. So what rate did you locked in with Better and what term?

I just had them locked in at 2.625% 15yrs after they matched another LE. It comes with around $3k lender credits. Since I didn't hit the Amex link when I started the agent said he was able to tag it to my account as if I did so I think/hope I'll get the $2,500 credit later on. For some reason I was not able to bypass the appraisal process so will have to schedule it and pay $550.
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1. At what stage I need to let Better know that I want to match the Title fees(Service you can shop for). Right now my status shows"We ordered your title on July 02.(It usually takes a few weeks to hear back. But we're on it and we'll give you updates here.)
2. Regarding previous 2 bank statement - Before the rate lock my account shows money going out(transferred to my wife account for deposit) and money coming in(moved money from my other bank account) apart from this there is nothing more. Is this bank account good for me to provide the statements or they will be more inside scrutiny and they will ask me my wife bank account details and the other bank account where I got the money from etc.

Thanks
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Quote from micky_d :
Thanks .. someone said that you could do it. I did not know how due to reasons you guys mentioned. I wasn't sure if that was something you do when were getting the loan. I will need to ask them again, perhaps they also meant reducing the principle but then that's common knowledge Smilie
They were likely talking about buying points, which some people refer to as prepaid interest. You pay a lump sum amount to bring your rate down. One point is 1% of the loan amount. Whether it's worth it to buy points or not depends on if you plan on keeping the loan for longer than it takes to break even on what you paid in points. For example, with totally made up numbers, if you paid $1000 in points to get your rate down to a number that would save you $50 a month on the payment, it would take 20 months to break even. If you plan on keeping the house and not refinancing for at least 20 months, it makes sense to pay the points.
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Quote from marsgamer :
1. At what stage I need to let Better know that I want to match the Title fees(Service you can shop for). Right now my status shows"We ordered your title on July 02.(It usually takes a few weeks to hear back. But we're on it and we'll give you updates here.)
2. Regarding previous 2 bank statement - Before the rate lock my account shows money going out(transferred to my wife account for deposit) and money coming in(moved money from my other bank account) apart from this there is nothing more. Is this bank account good for me to provide the statements or they will be more inside scrutiny and they will ask me my wife bank account details and the other bank account where I got the money from etc.

Thanks

2) Depends. They are just looking to verify enough money to cover closing costs. With all the money moving around, did you always have at least a balance of more than your closing costs? If so it shouldnt be an issue. They are just trying to not get in trouble with the feds.
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Quote from Freak4Dell :
They were likely talking about buying points, which some people refer to as prepaid interest. You pay a lump sum amount to bring your rate down. One point is 1% of the loan amount. Whether it's worth it to buy points or not depends on if you plan on keeping the loan for longer than it takes to break even on what you paid in points. For example, with totally made up numbers, if you paid $1000 in points to get your rate down to a number that would save you $50 a month on the payment, it would take 20 months to break even. If you plan on keeping the house and not refinancing for at least 20 months, it makes sense to pay the points.
The break even point is more complicated when you factor in the time value on money. $1000 today is worth more than 50/month for 20 months. As inflation goes up, $1 is worth less every year. So the break even is longer than 20 months. How long is a guess based on what you think inflation will be over the next 20 months.

For most people, paying point doesnt seem to be worthwhile, unless you know for a fact you dont plan on selling the house, refi'ing over the next several years.
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Quote from daw4888 :
For most people, paying point doesnt seem to be worthwhile, unless you know for a fact you dont plan on selling the house, refi'ing over the next several years.
I wish I didn't pay the extra $1k in points for Better to go from 2.875% -> 2.625%. I'm locked with Better again for 2.25% only two months later! Wink
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Quote from marsgamer :
1. At what stage I need to let Better know that I want to match the Title fees(Service you can shop for). Right now my status shows"We ordered your title on July 02.(It usually takes a few weeks to hear back. But we're on it and we'll give you updates here.)
2. Regarding previous 2 bank statement - Before the rate lock my account shows money going out(transferred to my wife account for deposit) and money coming in(moved money from my other bank account) apart from this there is nothing more. Is this bank account good for me to provide the statements or they will be more inside scrutiny and they will ask me my wife bank account details and the other bank account where I got the money from etc.

Thanks
re: Title... after I got a note from their title department I told them I was going to shop rates. A day or so later I sent that quote to them. Then they adjusted by credit to match it. $1500 down to $1200 I think.

re: Bank Account : It all depends on the admin person. They check boxes as each item is reviewed and approved. If they look at just that, the next question COULD be - and how do you pay all your bills? Or they never ask.
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Quote from daw4888 :
The break even point is more complicated when you factor in the time value on money. $1000 today is worth more than 50/month for 20 months. As inflation goes up, $1 is worth less every year. So the break even is longer than 20 months. How long is a guess based on what you think inflation will be over the next 20 months.

For most people, paying point doesnt seem to be worthwhile, unless you know for a fact you dont plan on selling the house, refi'ing over the next several years.
True, but that's getting into the finance weeds. You could also theorize what return you'd get if you put the cash elsewhere. But even without the complicated stuff, most breakeven points on points are somewhere between 5-7 years, so it doesn't make sense for a lot of people.

This is anecdotal, of course, but I found that lenders who like to push the points thing are really just trying to hide the fact that their base rate is too high to begin with. There are lenders out there with low rates and no points, so the trick is to just shop around for the best APR.
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Quote from Freak4Dell :
True, but that's getting into the finance weeds. You could also theorize what return you'd get if you put the cash elsewhere. But even without the complicated stuff, most breakeven points on points are somewhere between 5-7 years, so it doesn't make sense for a lot of people.

This is anecdotal, of course, but I found that lenders who like to push the points thing are really just trying to hide the fact that their base rate is too high to begin with. There are lenders out there with low rates and no points, so the trick is to just shop around for the best APR.
I agree with that. Buying points to reduce rate is lame for me, especially if you are not planning on keeping home for a very long time, which majority of people don't if it's their first home. So what's the best way to find lenders with cheaper rates ? At least to sort them out based on limited information and without credit checks. How good is bankrate site ?
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Quote from daw4888 :
2) Depends. They are just looking to verify enough money to cover closing costs. With all the money moving around, did you always have at least a balance of more than your closing costs? If so it shouldnt be an issue. They are just trying to not get in trouble with the feds.
Got it. Thank you.

Quote from gk6740 :
re: Title... after I got a note from their title department I told them I was going to shop rates. A day or so later I sent that quote to them. Then they adjusted by credit to match it. $1500 down to $1200 I think.


re: Bank Account : It all depends on the admin person. They check boxes as each item is reviewed and approved. If they look at just that, the next question COULD be - and how do you pay all your bills? Or they never ask.
Got it. Thank you.

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Quote from micky_d :
I agree with that. Buying points to reduce rate is lame for me, especially if you are not planning on keeping home for a very long time, which majority of people don't if it's their first home. So what's the best way to find lenders with cheaper rates ? At least to sort them out based on limited information and without credit checks. How good is bankrate site ?
Unfortunately I didn't have much luck shopping without credit checks, but I honestly didn't really care that much. Any inquiry within a month or so counts as one for scoring purposes. So I just applied at various places that I either have a relationship with already (bank account, credit card, etc.) or that I just have heard had good rates (a couple of credit unions). I figured out of 7-8 apps, one of them was bound to be decent.

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