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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

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Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 18, 2020 03:29 PM
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PeddlerJul 18, 2020 03:29 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
Step5: While applying take note to provide and send/upload all documents to the lender in as little of a time as possible as many lenders will drop your application if it's not received in 2 business days. Normal documentation:
1. Last 2 Paystubs

Shahhere
Borrowers will need to provide their last month of payment history. This could be up to four pay-stubs if said borrower is paid on a weekly basis.
Jul 18, 2020 03:32 PM
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shahhereJul 18, 2020 03:32 PM
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Quote from Peddler :
Borrowers will need to provide their last month of payment history. This could be up to four pay-stubs if said borrower is paid on a weekly basis.

YMMV, many lenders pull data from IRS and might not need it. For WM they asked me 4 things: Mortgage statement, Homeowners Declarations page and Drivers License and my SS# and was told the underwritting has everything else.


Shahhere
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CycloneFWJul 18, 2020 03:35 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
I've updated my second post in the master Mortgage thread to help answer reoccurring questions and explanations for the mortgage process as I understand it and to answer many other questions. If you think I should include additional topics or clarifications please provide me the feedback. User that ask general questions should be pointed to the post directly:
C – Title Costs – NY is another exception state. Also would be worthwhile to mention CEMAs here for NY refis.

F – Prepaid – While it is certainly true that lenders will require the settlement agent to collect upfront for Insurance and City/School Taxes, that is only if they are coming up due shortly after closing. For the majority of people, they will see Section F only include interest from closing to the end of the month. I would reword it to focus on prepaid interest, and then include a trailing sentence that insurance and taxes may also be collected if due soon after closing.

Step3: Closing Cost shopping:
3. I would say "No Closing Costs" would be credits offsetting D + E, as every other cost would be incurred (one way or another) even if not refinancing.
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KaatuPaadiJul 18, 2020 03:35 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
YMMV, many lenders pull data from IRS and might not need it. For WM they asked me 4 things: Mortgage statement, Homeowners Declarations page and Drivers License and my SS# and was told the underwritting has everything else.


Shahhere
I need to watch my credit now after all the shopping.. So many docs uploaded and who know where they end up with
Jul 18, 2020 03:43 PM
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savemybucksJul 18, 2020 03:43 PM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
Kind of. I got 2.25% with negative points. But that isn't really what you are asking since this is was with Watermark (before rates went down further too), so there would have been an origination charge. I suspect you mean 2.25^ on 15-year with $0 section A (or offset in section J)?
Yes straight up 0 points in A, no credit to apply against costs in A. I got ridiculously low 1.75 from LD, but 2.54% in points LMAO
Jul 18, 2020 04:03 PM
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SomeXYZJul 18, 2020 04:03 PM
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Hi,

I refinanced with better in May month. Now refinancing again with them.

Do I need to pay transfer taxes again?
Can I get any concessions in title services ?
Does any one know about GA Dept Rev § 560-11-8-.05 – Refinancing Exemption?
Jul 18, 2020 04:08 PM
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PeddlerJul 18, 2020 04:08 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
YMMV, many lenders pull data from IRS and might not need it. For WM they asked me 4 things: Mortgage statement, Homeowners Declarations page and Drivers License and my SS# and was told the underwritting has everything else.


Shahhere
Interesting, third party access to IRS documentation regarding personal tax information seems odd. Not sure i myself would approve to this and would rather provide the pay history instead.

Not sure i mentioned it but your right up is extremely informative. Great work.
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shahhereJul 18, 2020 04:11 PM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
C – Title Costs – NY is another exception state. Also would be worthwhile to mention CEMAs here for NY refis.

F – Prepaid – While it is certainly true that lenders will require the settlement agent to collect upfront for Insurance and City/School Taxes, that is only if they are coming up due shortly after closing. For the majority of people, they will see Section F only include interest from closing to the end of the month. I would reword it to focus on prepaid interest, and then include a trailing sentence that insurance and taxes may also be collected if due soon after closing.

Step3: Closing Cost shopping:
3. I would say "No Closing Costs" would be credits offsetting D + E, as every other cost would be incurred (one way or another) even if not refinancing.

Thanks for the Thumbs up and Rep points; i've gone ahead and updated the post with that information.


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skdealJul 18, 2020 04:42 PM
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Just for reference my agent mentioned the below while comparing LE's.

When comparing the two offers, it is most important to understand what is a true comparable. When looking at fees, it is important to only compare things that are specific to each lender. The things to compare are listed in sections A, B, C and letter J under lender credit.

Sections E, F and G are going to be the same for each lender, and therefore these fees should not be compared. Taxes are determined by the government, pre-paids will depend on your closing date, property taxes will also be determined by the government and insurance payments will be determined by the insurance company.
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CycloneFWJul 18, 2020 05:03 PM
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I just wanted to add my datapoint on there.

- Closed: 5/13
- Opened research request with Amex about credit: 7/14
- Amex verified name w/ Better: 7/14 - 7/15
- Credit appeared on Amex online: 7/18
- Credit is dated: 7/13

I was NOT targeted by Amex for this offer. The only "qualifying" action I took was apply through the link in the Op. I used my Delta Amex Platinum card for this credit.

Currently about ready to close with Better again. Verified I will get the credit. I am allowed to use the same card #, but I will put this on my Blue Cash Everyday card instead, so if I have to open another research request, they won't get confused between the first and second credits.

Now the question is which rate to pick. AFTER the Amex credit for a 15-year,
  • 2.25% w/ $500 in my pocket
  • 2.625% w/ $2,850 in my pocket
  • 2.875% w/ $3,750 in my pocket
  • 3.125% w? $4,750 in my pocket
I'm very tempted to take the bigger payout and plan on a third refi, even if it is with a different vendor and is whatever 2.xx% rate at no-cost. FYI, my loan is only $150k.
Last edited by CycloneFW July 18, 2020 at 10:11 AM.
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vulcanboltJul 18, 2020 05:06 PM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
I just wanted to add my datapoint on there.

- Closed: 5/13
- Opened research request with Amex about credit: 7/14
- Amex verified name w/ Better: 7/14 - 7/15
- Credit appeared on Amex online: 7/18
- Credit is dated: 7/13

I was NOT targeted by Amex for this offer. The only "qualifying" action I took was apply through the link in the Op. I used my Delta Amex Platinum card for this credit.

Currently about ready to close with Better again. Verified I will get the credit. I am allowed to use the same card #, but I will put this on my Blue Cash Everyday card instead, so if I have to open another research request, they won't get confused between the first and second credits.

Now the question is which rate to pick. AFTER the Amex credit,
  • 2.25% w/ $500 in my pocket
  • 2.625% w/ $2,850 in my pocket
  • 2.875% w/ $3,750 in my pocket
  • 3.125% w? $4,750 in my pocket
I'm very tempted to take the bigger payout and plan on a third refi, even if it is with a different vendor and is whatever 2.xx% rate at no-cost. FYI, my loan is only $150k.
30 yr or 15 yr?
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CycloneFWJul 18, 2020 05:11 PM
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30 yr or 15 yr?
15 year
Jul 18, 2020 05:40 PM
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NathanR3270Jul 18, 2020 05:40 PM
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Providing another data point. My refi closed on 5/15. I received the credit on 7/17. I didn't have to wait for the statement date.

I had received email confirmation from a representative before closing that the offer was on my account. I also had a refi task on better.com to add the last 5 of the amex card I would like to receive the credit on. I did not have a specific offer on the amex website portal - I just clicked through the portal link provided in this thread.
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superwalletJul 18, 2020 05:51 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
I've updated my second post in the master Mortgage thread to help answer reoccurring questions and explanations for the mortgage process as I understand it and to answer many other questions. If you think I should include additional topics or clarifications please provide me the feedback. User that ask general questions should be pointed to the post directly:
..........................................

Excellent post with summary of useful information, thank you!

I am sure it will help a lot of people.

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mrseanJul 18, 2020 06:21 PM
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I dont know about quickly lol, some days she is super active some days it takes her 3-4 days:

Samantha Schlarb | SVP of Mortgage Banking |PH: 312-350-2324 – [email protected]


She had okayed me using her contact when asked a few weeks back.


Also, option 2 on their phone will go to her voicemail which is apparently full so Email is the fastest to get a response.


Shahhere
Ok. Thanks, Shahhere.

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