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These are phenomenal headphones. Price to performance and quality ratio is fantastic.
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That was an opinion which people are allowed to have. Calling dude stupid for voicing his opinion makes you look like a dick. But maybe that's the norm for you.
Talk about the pot and the kettle. You're saying this makes me look like a dick, yet unlike you, I said nothing about the other person being stupid, only his post, because it is stupid. The sentiment of "xyz doesn't appeal to me, therefore, people who indulge in xyz are out of their goddamn minds" is absurdly stupid. That's not an opinion in his post, it's narrow mindedness. An opinion on these would be I don't think they sound great, not anyone who buys these is out of their mind because, I can't tell the difference. It's sad that I have to explain that.

But, if calling that out makes me a dick, then call me Mandingo
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That was an opinion which people are allowed to have. Calling dude stupid for voicing his opinion makes you look like a dick. But maybe that's the norm for you.
Yeah, he had a stupid opinion - which is what you are inferring in that guys reply. You aren't any better really.
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Yeah, he had a stupid opinion - which is what you are inferring in that guys reply. You aren't any better really.
Classy guy.
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I'm not taking a side, but are you saying it's "luxury" just because it's expensive? Many would say luxury has more to do with quality.
So.. if these aren't quality to them, "luxury" is moot.
If that was the case then a Toyota Camry would be a luxury item because it's quality and a Jaguar would not because it has low reliability i.e. low quality. Please use your brains.
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Classy guy.
Sorry buddy, but you're not correct. My response is the same as a down vote, I'm just using words. Opinions are one thing,; 'I don't like this because the bass doesn't sound good to me', 'treble is shrill in my opinion', 'the clamping force is too much', these are OPINIONS. Saying others are out of their mind for liking something that you can't comprehend isn't an opinion, it's a blanket statement with no logic behind it, which was why I addressed it by just replacing headphones with cars to show the absurdities.


Edit: actually I'm misspeaking here. His post is an opinion. His opinion is that people who spend x amount of dollars are out of their goddamn minds, because he can't tell the difference between different priced headphones, is an opinion. It's just a stupid opinion that is seen numerous times in headphone threads, though not to the level of I can't tell the difference, therefore people are dumb. It's normally just like who the hell would spend $xxx on headphones. But since he laid out in detail the stupid opinion, it's easy to swap headphones out for literally any other item in the world.
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If that was the case then a Toyota Camry would be a luxury item because it's quality and a Jaguar would not because it has low reliability i.e. low quality. Please use your brains.
Oh boy. Lol
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Hi everyone. Thanks for all the information, and for the one incredibly detailed post the one person took time to write out.

I didn't want this to diverge into a rant, name calling, shaming, over an opinion. I do understand there are people in this world who want to buy things like a $40,000 watch, given a "designer" element to that realm of luxury, and in the case there are audiophiles that exist in the world who will spend thousands and swear by their judgment and/or want to impress their peers with what they are capable of hearing and what differences they are able to pick up.

I understand this. I am simply sharing my own personal experiences and what I have gone thru to try and understand that "audiophile", but it simply did not happen. For an online purchase, for the average consumer, and for the tests I have tried over many years over every headphone I could possibly pick up, I simply was unable to appreciate or justify any difference above around $250. For those that are able to distinguish and appreciate differences in the thousands of dollars range, I salute you and honestly think it is something you guys are either blessed with or in any event, if you are happy with your decision, then of course go ahead and buy 'em and knock your socks off.

But for me, and for every other person I have ever encountered in my life that doesn't sell this type of equipment, including recording artists, studio owners, etc, in every day real life scenarios, and for any other real world purpose I can possibly imagine, there isn't any reason to buy this, especially as a first time purchase online with no way of knowing what these headphones sound signature will be to your ears, and how pleasing they will turn out for you.
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How is this compare to Elear? I am not fully impressed with Elear. I like LCD - 2, iSine 20 and EL-8 Closed.
Buy the Focal Elex pads for the Elear when they become available on [Mass] Drop. The Elex is just an Elear with Clear-like pads (this can be confirmed by the measurements of pad swaps). The Elex is like a baby Clear. Some people say the Elex is the HD600+ and the Clear is the HD650+, and as a person who owns the HD650, Elear w/Elex pads, and Clear, I would agree with the spirit of that sentiment.
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Talk about the pot and the kettle. You're saying this makes me look like a dick, yet unlike you, I said nothing about the other person being stupid, only his post, because it is stupid. The sentiment of "xyz doesn't appeal to me, therefore, people who indulge in xyz are out of their goddamn minds" is absurdly stupid. That's not an opinion in his post, it's narrow mindedness. An opinion on these would be I don't think they sound great, not anyone who buys these is out of their mind because, I can't tell the difference. It's sad that I have to explain that.

But, if calling that out makes me a dick, then call me Mandingo
Uh, just want you to know I'm stealing that closing line for all of eternity...lmfao.
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Hi everyone. Thanks for all the information, and for the one incredibly detailed post the one person took time to write out.

I didn't want this to diverge into a rant, name calling, shaming, over an opinion. I do understand there are people in this world who want to buy things like a $40,000 watch, given a "designer" element to that realm of luxury, and in the case there are audiophiles that exist in the world who will spend thousands and swear by their judgment and/or want to impress their peers with what they are capable of hearing and what differences they are able to pick up.

I understand this. I am simply sharing my own personal experiences and what I have gone thru to try and understand that "audiophile", but it simply did not happen. For an online purchase, for the average consumer, and for the tests I have tried over many years over every headphone I could possibly pick up, I simply was unable to appreciate or justify any difference above around $250. For those that are able to distinguish and appreciate differences in the thousands of dollars range, I salute you and honestly think it is something you guys are either blessed with or in any event, if you are happy with your decision, then of course go ahead and buy 'em and knock your socks off.

But for me, and for every other person I have ever encountered in my life that doesn't sell this type of equipment, including recording artists, studio owners, etc, in every day real life scenarios, and for any other real world purpose I can possibly imagine, there isn't any reason to buy this, especially as a first time purchase online with no way of knowing what these headphones sound signature will be to your ears, and how pleasing they will turn out for you.
You've made your point. You're not really contributing much of substance to this thread with it. Let people that are interested and appreciate this discuss it and help would be buyers.
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Please use your brains.
Is "use your brains" another phrase for arguing about stupid crap on the internet? I'll pass.
I'm not going to explain anything to you.
And save the childish insults you love to throw around. They are wasted on me. You haven't the ability to affect me.
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Hi everyone. Thanks for all the information, and for the one incredibly detailed post the one person took time to write out.

I didn't want this to diverge into a rant, name calling, shaming, over an opinion. I do understand there are people in this world who want to buy things like a $40,000 watch, given a "designer" element to that realm of luxury, and in the case there are audiophiles that exist in the world who will spend thousands and swear by their judgment and/or want to impress their peers with what they are capable of hearing and what differences they are able to pick up.

I understand this. I am simply sharing my own personal experiences and what I have gone thru to try and understand that "audiophile", but it simply did not happen. For an online purchase, for the average consumer, and for the tests I have tried over many years over every headphone I could possibly pick up, I simply was unable to appreciate or justify any difference above around $250. For those that are able to distinguish and appreciate differences in the thousands of dollars range, I salute you and honestly think it is something you guys are either blessed with or in any event, if you are happy with your decision, then of course go ahead and buy 'em and knock your socks off.

But for me, and for every other person I have ever encountered in my life that doesn't sell this type of equipment, including recording artists, studio owners, etc, in every day real life scenarios, and for any other real world purpose I can possibly imagine, there isn't any reason to buy this, especially as a first time purchase online with no way of knowing what these headphones sound signature will be to your ears, and how pleasing they will turn out for you.
Well it diverged in to what it did because instead of saying things like "I salute you", you said anyone buying these things are out of their goddamn mind. Your approach in this reply is much more welcomed. Although, it honestly doesn't add to the topic of this specific item, at least it's not demeaning, and for that, I tip my cap
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That was an opinion which people are allowed to have. Calling dude stupid for voicing his opinion makes you look like a dick. But maybe that's the norm for you.
But isn't that "his" opinion?
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But isn't that "his" opinion?
Sure but no reason to be a sack of shit about it. J/s
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