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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
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Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
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As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
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I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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A - $1595, B - $112, C - $1070, D - $2777, I - $2708, J - (net Credit back to me of ~$4800 after total Lender Credits are $10,202)
LD did the price of $999k to waive the appraisal fees.
Should I move forwoard?
Even if you have to pay PMI, its better to lock in a lower rate as its for the next 30yrs where as PMI would drop off in a couple of years.
2.25% no cost (covered D+E) Or
2.375% no cost (covered D+E) + additional 3k ish net lender credit?
the different between P+I is around 30$/month.
is the breakeven roughly 3000/30/12= 8.33 years?
not sure if I do the calculations correctly....?
Currently at 2.625%. Not sure if it's even wise to begin the refi haha
I felt like getting the lower rate to be done with the refi, but also didn't want to pay that much out of pocket for the prepaids even though that's not really considered loan cost. (I kind of hate that during the closing process there are a few overlapping days that you have to pay interest for both loan, so I consider the overlapping interest as loan cost since you normally would only need to pay one if that make any sense.)
A - $1595, B - $112, C - $1070, D - $2777, I - $2708, J - (net Credit back to me of ~$4800 after total Lender Credits are $10,202)
LD did the price of $999k to waive the appraisal fees.
Should I move forwoard?
Hopefully they are able to accommodate the $4800 coming back to you. I think it would have to be a Freddie loan not Fannie.
2.25% no cost (covered D+E) Or
2.375% no cost (covered D+E) + additional 3k ish net lender credit?
the different between P+I is around 30$/month.
is the breakeven roughly 3000/30/12= 8.33 years?
not sure if I do the calculations correctly....?
Currently at 2.625%. Not sure if it's even wise to begin the refi haha
I felt like getting the lower rate to be done with the refi, but also didn't want to pay that much out of pocket for the prepaids even though that's not really considered loan cost. (I kind of hate that during the closing process there are a few overlapping days that you have to pay interest for both loan, so I consider the overlapping interest as loan cost since you normally would only need to pay one if that make any sense.)
A few days of overlapping interest won't amount to a lot. Aside from that, the prepaids are things you would be paying anyway.
Your break even calculation is correct as an approximation using the monthly payment. Another way to look at it is 3000 / (0.125%*loan amount).
Personally I would go with the 2.375% option unless you expect to be in the house for a long time and don't expect to be refinancing again. It is tempting to lock in a crazy low rate but rates can go lower.
A few days of overlapping interest won't amount to a lot. Aside from that, the prepaids are things you would be paying anyway.
Your break even calculation is correct as an approximation using the monthly payment. Another way to look at it is 3000 / (0.125%*loan amount).
Personally I would go with the 2.375% option unless you expect to be in the house for a long time and don't expect to be refinancing again. It is tempting to lock in a crazy low rate but rates can go lower.
I've been told that it's only worth it to refi if the rate dropped more than 0.5%. That's why I kind of doubt if I did the right thing lol. However, with the skills I learned from all of the experts who shared here, I guess we can make a refi worth it with a smaller rate drop 😅 thank all of you very much!!
By the way, I was shocked to learn that IM is unable to match or beat "credit" because of their company policy only allowing the lender credit to be just enough to cover D+E. I have never read anything like this so I'm not sure if it's a new thing or....? I was hoping IM can at least match half way so I don't need to wait for a minimum of 4 month refi process with LC... but plan didn't work out 😢
Have anyone close with LD recently? How long does the entire process usually take?
Hopefully they are able to accommodate the $4800 coming back to you. I think it would have to be a Freddie loan not Fannie.
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I've been told that it's only worth it to refi if the rate dropped more than 0.5%. That's why I kind of doubt if I did the right thing lol. However, with the skills I learned from all of the experts who shared here, I guess we can make a refi worth it with a smaller rate drop 😅 thank all of you very much!!
By the way, I was shocked to learn that IM is unable to match or beat "credit" because of their company policy only allowing the lender credit to be just enough to cover D+E. I have never read anything like this so I'm not sure if it's a new thing or....? I was hoping IM can at least match half way so I don't need to wait for a minimum of 4 month refi process with LC... but plan didn't work out 😢
Have anyone close with LD recently? How long does the entire process usually take?
IM's policy is not surprising. When I talked to LenderFi a few months ago, they were similar in that they offered a no-cost option but wouldn't offer higher rates with higher lender credits. Owning has gone one step farther by changing their advertised rates from no-cost to rates with points (although based on the data points in this thread, they still offer no-cost options sometimes). These lenders know that if they offer higher rates with higher lender credit, those borrowers are likely to refi again quickly.
LC, LD, and Better seem to be the main lenders discussed on this thread that allow you to make money through higher lender credits.
If you have a good offer from LC, your best bet is to ask LD to beat it. I closed recently with LD, and it was about 75 days from lock to funding, but I changed some parameters midstream that led me to go through underwriting twice, and there were other complications. Otherwise I think the timeline would have been around 45 days. Generally the recent datapoints have been good on LD.
Going forward, I think LC will be faster now that people have been closing who applied in the huge wave during July/August/September.
But YMMV. Hopefully they honor your offer, it is a good one! If you run into trouble with the net credit being too high, you can try some of the strategies that I employed. Keep us posted.
But YMMV. Hopefully they honor your offer, it is a good one! If you run into trouble with the net credit being too high, you can try some of the strategies that I employed. Keep us posted.
If J > 2000. you, get cash or principal reduction if you don't have escrow?
I'm looking for experience with loan officers, closing times etc.
I'm looking for experience with loan officers, closing times etc.
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