| Product Description: | At Echelon, we believe fitness is a lifestyle, not a status symbol. Your goals may take a little sacrifice, but the price of your bike shouldn't. That’s why we developed the Echelon Connect Bike that seamlessly combines fitness and tech to offer the best in stationary biking at a fraction of the cost. Paired with the Echelon Fit App, your Echelon Connect allows you to go at your own pace on your own time. Select from over 1,600 cycling classes of all fitness levels and music genres. Filter by length, music, language, instructor and more to find the perfect class. Take the beginners classes with Brian, or jump right into 75-minute endurance with Megan. Whichever class you choose, enjoy it from the comfort and convenience of your own home. The Echelon Connects magnetic flywheel offers 32 levels of resistance, providing a challenging workout for both beginners and experienced riders. It’s ergonomically customizable allowing you to find your perfect fit and ideal comfort to enhance your workout. Fully padded bullhorn handlebars are perfect for transitioning between high-speed and high-resistance postures.The Echelon Experience is a new approach to fitness centered around indoor cycling.The Echelon idea began with the Smart Connect bike and has since evolved into a full spectrum of products and classes to match. With the Echelon Fit App, anyone can train on their own time from the comfort of their own home with hundreds of live and on-demand classes for any fitness level taught by our professional and talented instructors. The Echelon Fit App provides a totally immersive fitness experience in the comfort and convenience of your own home. From warm up to cool down, members will be guided by world-class instructors to encourage, challenge, and celebrate as limits are pushed and goals are met. Members can participate in live or on-demand rides, and even choose from a library of off-the-bike classes featuring yoga, barre, Pilates, strength training, Zumba, and more. |
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A couple racing years I did 90% of my riding on spin bikes and was a top 10% age grouper. You ride outside, in groups and such, and I highly doubt you push yourself as hard as you can/would in an instructor led class. Granted I don't do 50+ mile rides on a spin bike, but I do long climb and speed intervals along with HIIT rides on the spin bike which will do more for you than a typical group ride with a few pushes here and there.
On a spin bike, you have zero worries of any outside factors, balance when applying drive and pressure, no potholes, cars, lights, and Yada Yada Yada. No rain, snow, cold.
As with any workout, you get out of it what you put into it. Countless times I'd hop off the bike to coach individuals, and it's amazing to see the jump in wattage when you call people out mid class. Even just small changes. A vast majority don't work as hard as they are able. They don't know how to push themselves. They don't understand they can sustain a certain HR or resistance for x amount of time because they just see something is hard and plateau. And that goes for outside riders too.
So when people tell you a certain class or a certain was ride easy, it's bullshit. They took it easy. If you felt you weren't being challenged, it's your hand that adjusts the resistance knob to add resistance or pedal faster or both. You're the one that realizes I actually can sustain this level of of effort longer than I thought or give more effort than previously because you actually attempt to.
That's the benefit of a good instructor and instructor led classes. Good ones are more like coaches. They should inspire you to work harder and put in the effort to a greater degree than you typically will do on your own. So if you don't get a good workout in, it's usually one of two things, the instructor wasn't motivating enough or you were just being a wuss (sorry not sorry), outside factors notwithstanding.
And that said, I paid $650 for my well over $2k Chrono power with its beefy aluminum build, very adjustable seat and handlebars, included spd pedals, power meter and BT connected computer that trounce any computer on these retail bikes. The computer connects via BT to wahoo along with my broadcast HR from my Garmin watch (so many don't know you can broadcast HR to BT computers and fitness apps on your phone). Wahoo connects to strava as does my Garmin. Don't really care about zwift, but I suppose I could connect to it via BT.
The only reason to get a Peloton bike is if you just have to be seen on the leader board and want shout outs from instructors. Otherwise, whether you have the spin bike computer that does BT or you buy the speed/cadence sensors along with your HR device that will record info on your phone, you can gauge your own performance and improvement.
Most cheap retail bikes have crap computers and you're better off buying speed/cadence sensors from wahoo. Garmin or even cheap off branded ones (provided you have good reviews from say zwift or other cycling forums).
But I would look at Craigslist, FB Marketplace, Letgo and the like for people selling commercial spin bikes because they lost interest or its a seller that bought at a gym's bikes. They'll be more solid, stable, come with SPD pedals, have a better computer (and possibly a connected one). And if that route isn't successful, then I'd go with something like this or Sunny or whatever. Just keep in mind, you might end up spending for clip in pedals, a better seat, speed/cadence sensors and so on which drives up that price, hence looking at used commercial bikes that might include everything already.
In the end, if it gets you to work out consistently, who gives a crap what you buy, as long as it works for you and it doesn't become a clothes rack.
What you do want though in the grand scheme is magnetic resistance (not friction) and belt drive (not a chain). 4 way adjustability on the handlebars and seat. Some are fine with only 2 way adjustability on handlebars, but if you're not, you're stuck. I hated previous gen Keiser bikes because of that.
Clip in pedals and actual bike shoes will allow you to apply more power and have a smoother pedal stroke than cages and sneakers. A relatively cheap upgrade for a more effective workout. Mountain bike shoes work well since they are geared around walking around off the bike. Road shoes and wood floors don't mix well though many three point cleats/clip in systems don't have any metal contacting the ground. SPD is also what's used in spin studios so having spd shoes makes it easier to transition from home to the studio. If you do ride outside, you've probably moved in from spd and can always swap the spin bike pedals for something that works with your setup. I use spd since I'm doing both home and studio, but I have Time pedals on my road bikes. I don't long for them on the spin bikes. I'm used to the difference between them.
Off the soap box of that very long winded post. Hope it's somewhat helpful.
Yes the metrics will show on your phone or whatever in the echelon app under freestyle ride. I use accessibility to zoom in on them too. It shows cadence, watts , and resistance level and some sub metrics (distance calories averages - all bs numbers honestly).
I've run comparisons to peloton in terms of cadence and output and the resistance setting is just less than half of the low range of the peloton setting the instructors call roughly (you get a feel for what you need as you do rides but that's a very good starting point). so when the instructor says 30-45 on peloton, on this you use 14-15 to start.
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Connects to popular cycling apps via Bluetooth like RideSocial, Zwift, and more, but not sure what all metrics actually show in those apps. I read that the calorie output is off by a factor of 2X, so you win all your races. Resistance is still manually set on the bike. So, is the biggest advantage of the the Schwinn is that it's using open standards for these metrics via Bluetooth so that they can be displayed directly within those various apps instead of having to use multiple apps or add a separate cadence sensor due to the Echelon being proprietary as they try to lock you into their expensive $40/mo apps?
I assume it also connects directly with Peloton Digital and that some metrics are shown in that app. I read that the resistance setting still doesn't match Peloton.
One thing I see missing from the IC4 is "output watts", which people say is a feature not normally found in a $500 exercise bike like the Echelon Sport.
All in, the Schwinn IC4 doesn't look bad for $800 if you can get the metrics directly in the various apps using open standards as well at its included LCD vs. the proprietary nature of Echelon requiring their own app to display those. I like the over-all feedback on the Echelon, and I saved 5% with cashback through Paypal funded by Discovercard.
I'm debating whether I should cancel this order and just buy speed & cadence sensors to use with my existing bike and Cyclops fluid trainer. And if I want power readings and automated resistance, I could buy a smart trainer down the road. I don't like the proprietary nature of the Echelon.
Edit: It looks like there's not much advantage to having the cadence in Peloton anyway if you can monitor it with the Echelon app along with your power output. Also, the reviews of the Android version of the Peloton app are pretty poor. It looks like those metrics are more useful to have directly in the app when using Zwift, but you can buy the Woohoo sensors. The Echelon subscription at $40/mo or at $25/mo for two years paid upfront, looks terribly overpriced, maybe four-fold.
I'm debating whether I should cancel this order and just buy speed & cadence sensors to use with my existing bike and Cyclops fluid trainer. And if I want power readings and automated resistance, I could buy a smart trainer down the road. I don't like the proprietary nature of the Echelon.
Now into more important business, for those looking for mat size the one sold by Echelon is 27x47 https://echelonfit.com/collection...it
What I was clarifying was that the bike has ZERO integration / connectivity with the Peloton Digital app and other third party apps such as Zwift due to the proprietary bluetooth data from Echelon trying to lock you in to their own app, which is why you have to buy the Wahoo cadence sensor to get cadence information into third party apps. Some people use it with Peloton, but they say they still need to use the Echelon app to see their stats. The Schwinn IC4 that others were discussing uses open standards to interface directly with those apps - no third party sensor is required to be attached to the crank.
So in summary, yes, you can use the Peloton Digital app, but there's no connectivity/interfacing between Peloton & other third party apps with the Echelon Sport as sold.
I'm still debating whether to cancel the Echelon. It seems like a good bike otherwise, and full integration with those apps may not be that important in practice, and I could add the sensors, but then I already have my standard bike and $300 Cyclops fluid trainer, which I could add sensors to for Zwift/Peloton integration and save $500. I would lose "watts" completely, though. Hmmmm
Edit: It looks like there's not much advantage to having the cadence in Peloton anyway if you can monitor it with the Echelon app along with your power output. Also, the reviews of the Android version of the Peloton app are pretty poor. It looks like those metrics are more useful to have directly in the app when using Zwift, but you can buy the Woohoo sensors. The Echelon subscription at $40/mo or at $25/mo for two years paid upfront, looks terribly overpriced, maybe four-fold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwBUSi
I'm unsure though, if a monthly subscription to Echelon is required in order to port stats over to Strava. If so, that's a deal breaker.
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