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Expires 10/31 for 100,000 Times Viewed # 1 Recommended GIGABIT ROUTER; $116 at Target TP-Link Archer AX3000 Dual Band WiFi 6 MU-MIMO Router

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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.

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Should I get this or spend more on an Asus AX86U? I am doing VR streaming with virtual desktop primarily.

In-depth review from Dongknows, the Walmart version of AX50 seems to be lower performance.

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-archer-ax50-review/
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Quote from hitmantb :
Should I get this or spend more on an Asus AX86U? I am doing VR streaming with virtual desktop primarily.

In-depth review from Dongknows, the Walmart version of AX50 seems to be lower performance.

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-arc...50-review/
AX86U is a much better device if you can justify the price increase. 4x4 5g + 3x3 2.4g radios and updated fairly often. 1.8ghz A53 Quad core is also valid for entry NAS with USB HDD. Especially if you use the 2.5G connection.

-Wifi6 5G performance seems top tier over range.
-So So high end wifi5 5G performance. Competitive with other 4x4 5G AX radios.
- 2.4G (3x3) performance seems very competitive to most higher end 4x4 radios in the right environment.

I had one for a bit, but couldn't justify the price increase over a GT-AC2900 (upgraded AC86U) I got on sale. Which offers me most of the performance that the AX86U has.

Would have kept it if AX 2.4G devices were more wide spread (non existent) as theres a significant boost in performance here and one of the best aspects of WIFI6.
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champignonroi
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Would the ARRIS SURFboard SBG7600AC2 and the AX30 be overkill for my future 700sqft condo? I will be getting 400Mbps or maybe 940 Mbps cable internet from Spectrum.

I mostly stream Netflix on my smart TV and playing mobile games or watching youtube on my phone. I also will have the Nest Thermostat, about 10 smartbulbs, and 3 Alexia devices.
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Quote from hitmantb :

In-depth review from Dongknows, the Walmart version of AX50 seems to be lower performance.

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-arc...50-review/
This review was discredited in the thread. The reviewer reviewed virtually identical machines but one had different firmware from the other. If the reviewer had used identical firmware by updating the firmware there would be virtually no difference. Did you see the linked reviews in the original post?
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courtesyclerkx
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Since a lot of people on this thread seems to be knowledgeable about routers...

Can someone tell me the difference between these two?

Archer C90
https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-n.../#overview
Archer C9
https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-n.../#overview

Is it just same technology but different form factor?
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
While the AC1750 TPlink is a great router, its just so late in the wifi 5 game that its hard to recommend. The AX1800 for a standard house hold where the router can be centralized will have good coverage and provide speeds with proper clients far exceeding the speeds of the AC1750.

So if I had to pick one, it would be the more future proof AX1800.
I have a 2 bedroom house. I have Xfinity wifi with 200mbps download. I just don't see how this will give me better performance than ac1750. I get 200mbps throughout my house
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Quote from JoyTan :
This review was discredited in the thread. The reviewer reviewed virtually identical machines but one had different firmware from the other. If the reviewer had used identical firmware by updating the firmware there would be virtually no difference. Did you see the linked reviews in the original post?
I think Dong gives a decent base line reference (I respect the effort and ideas of competing products), but my complaint with him is that he doesn't explain which channels are used, which firmware updates have occurred, and uses older results for products that have been updated over time.(AX88U is a good example)

Ill admit though, that would be a ton of work to consistently pull off and is highly variable.. especially when clients such as AX200/201 are updated as well over time.

From my point of view, his results are more akin to stuff found in a wide office environment rather than a congested home with multiple walls in between. This is where 2x2 Radios tend to offer worse performance than shown.

In my personal home, 2x2 entry devices are much worse than most 4x4 AC w2 stuff Smilie
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Only thing I've heard that's a negative is it overheats. That's why I'm leaning towards ax1800
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I just ordered the TP c4000 from Costco for 129. I am on the fence on canceling and getting the AX3000 but something is telling me to keep the c4000. I know wifi6 vs 5 but don't see how ill benefit when I have 300mbps down and up.
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Quote from Jsz0301 :
I looked up internals.

2.4G and 5G-1 run off the same lower end SoC like the AX1800 (2x2 + 2x2 Radios)

5G-2 has a weird implementation of a 4x4 BCM43684 radio. 1440mbps means QAM256 and QAM1024 are disabled.. which seems extremely weird for a product that is marketed to push 1g internet. Max link should be 720mbps on a 2x2 client. IF you see higher on AX close range, TPLINK simply lies

Marketing claims 160HT can be enabled, but then this isn't a AX3200 product at all.

Regardless, this is the radio you use for long range performance.

The AX3200 is the same product as the AX6600 internally (4800 HT160, 1200 HT80, 600 HT 40) in other parts of the world.

I know ASUS region locks firmware and its impossible to "flash over" modern stuff, but this TPLINK product may be flash-able if you're willing to risk your device and return to Costco if stuff goes wrong. The only issue I see here is regional channels not working for US market. meaning.. youll lose the lower 5G 36-48 band.

Its likely an "AX6600" with some bullshit specs anyway.
So is the AX3200 a good deal? Considering upgrading my ac68u for this to stream VR from the PC to the Quest 2 wirelessly while keeping up with all my IOT devices. Thanks for all your in depth posts by the way. Very informative.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
This has been covered, TP-Link makes no distinction between them even on their website. The hardware is identical besides a USB 3.0 vs 2.0 port if I recall from earlier posts. The software only difference seems to be one comes with homecare, the other you can buy through the tether app. As for performance only one review ever mentioned both in the reviews, and they tested the units 6 months apart with no direct comparison on latest firmware, to see if there were changes.
https://www.tp-link.com/us/compar...10%2C41125
Is two different products/SKUs. Thus, they are different in some way. For 95% of users, it will be like the same. But there are a slightly different that some people will care.
Because of the less software/features, they priced it cheaper.

But the main question is that, is it really a deal if the MSRP is at 129? If this is the AX50, where the MSRP is 149, and is price at 129, then yes is a deal. But if is a strip down version and the regular price is 129, then it is not a deal since is every day price.
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Quote from 198four :
I have a 2 bedroom house. I have Xfinity wifi with 200mbps download. I just don't see how this will give me better performance than ac1750. I get 200mbps throughout my house
In your case it really wont, cause your already maximizing your existing ISP service level with your existing router, so you have no real reason to upgrade. If you were doing something intensive in network, like constantly transferring files or streaming from a NAS to other devices in the house, you would see a benefit there. In regard to maximizing your current ISP, yeah your fine.
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Quote from AlbertY6916 :
https://www.tp-link.com/us/compar...10%2C41125
Is two different products/SKUs. Thus, they are different in some way. For 95% of users, it will be like the same. But there are a slightly different that some people will care.
Because of the less software/features, they priced it cheaper.

But the main question is that, is it really a deal if the MSRP is at 129? If this is the AX50, where the MSRP is 149, and is price at 129, then yes is a deal. But if is a strip down version and the regular price is 129, then it is not a deal since is every day price.
Minus a USB 3.0 port and home care, they are identical hardware on the spec sheet so you should get identical performance. Some people post items for $5 less and its a deal, others post items that are just in stock and its a deal, so what constitutes a deal varies for everyone.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
Minus a USB 3.0 port and home care, they are identical hardware on the spec sheet so you should get identical performance. Some people post items for $5 less and its a deal, others post items that are just in stock and its a deal, so what constitutes a deal varies for everyone.
Yeah they have identical FCC pictures for both models. Any performance differences comes down to tolerances assuming firmware are identical dates.

Quote from RiceKnight :
So is the AX3200 a good deal? Considering upgrading my ac68u for this to stream VR from the PC to the Quest 2 wirelessly while keeping up with all my IOT devices. Thanks for all your in depth posts by the way. Very informative.
Its a decent option and relatively good priced for a long ranged 4x4 AX radio. Kinda silly if QAM256 and QAM1024 are really disabled though. It would mean 5G-1 performs better than 5G-2 Close range and 5G-2 performs better than 5G-1 long range.

I would assume TP link just bullshits the spec and its really the same as the AX90 model that's set to be released, but that's sorta unconfirmed.

Whats weird is the AX3200 lacks 2 antennas, but the PCB's have identical hook up points.I would assume the AX3200 shares attennas with other bands to save cost. Both are 4x4 + 2x2 + 2x2.

Edit. One of the antennas is hooked up to a internal point on the 3200. The other is just missing.


Edit2: Could also be running 3x3 mode with QAM 256 enabled 1024 disabled. Would make more sense. Kinda a waste of a 4x4 chip though, but ASUS does the same stuff on the AX58U.. 4x4 chip limited to 2x4.

2x2 AX client will show up as 960mbps on AX200/201 card if thats the case.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
In your case it really wont, cause your already maximizing your existing ISP service level with your existing router, so you have no real reason to upgrade. If you were doing something intensive in network, like constantly transferring files or streaming from a NAS to other devices in the house, you would see a benefit there. In regard to maximizing your current ISP, yeah your fine.
Thanks for your feedback. Very helpful

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