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PaulL3556
10-20-2020 at 04:05 AM.
10-20-2020 at 04:05 AM.
Timing 18-22-22-42
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bluebmx
10-20-2020 at 10:09 AM.
10-20-2020 at 10:09 AM.
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Timing 18-22-22-42
Is it a good spec or bad?
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rigma_one
10-20-2020 at 12:10 PM.
10-20-2020 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from bluebmx :
Is it a good spec or bad?
CL18 is pretty standard. Lower CAS Latency "CL" is better but costs more. CL is very basically the amount of time it takes the RAM to action on the instruction it's given. The other numbers describe other types of activity that goes on inside the RAM.

As usual, it all depends on the other components in your build and what you're doing with the PC to help determine if lower CL will benefit you.
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tyman
10-20-2020 at 12:17 PM.
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Thetalker
10-21-2020 at 02:06 AM.
10-21-2020 at 02:06 AM.
Are t force delta ram any good? I keep seeing deals on these but I've never heard of them aside from slickdeals. Most people I know stick to big brands.
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HEATBaller
10-21-2020 at 02:13 AM.
10-21-2020 at 02:13 AM.
CL 16 3600 DDR4 it goes as low as $65 at times

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

NGL 32GB of this stuff gave me an extra 5fps gains at 1440p lowkey.
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wherestheanykey
10-21-2020 at 02:20 AM.
10-21-2020 at 02:20 AM.
Quote from rigma_one :
CL18 is pretty standard. Lower CAS Latency "CL" is better but costs more. CL is very basically the amount of time it takes the RAM to action on the instruction it's given. The other numbers describe other types of activity that goes on inside the RAM.

As usual, it all depends on the other components in your build and what you're doing with the PC to help determine if lower CL will benefit you.

You probably should have included that these latencies are measured in nanoseconds.

Unless you're doing complete end to end reads and writes (multimedia encoding or extreme computational math, for instance), a fraction of a second difference in latency is only going to add up on paper/in benchmarks.

Rule of thumb for selecting ram is capacity (if you're constantly at 85% consumption or higher, you need more ram), clock speed, and finally latency – in that order.

Again, we're talking about nanoseconds.
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rigma_one
10-21-2020 at 02:49 AM.
10-21-2020 at 02:49 AM.
Quote from HEATBaller :
CL 16 3600 DDR4 it goes as low as $65 at times

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

NGL 32GB of this stuff gave me an extra 5fps gains at 1440p lowkey.

Another alternative to Crucial in this category are these sticks. I got 16gb for 70 a few weeks ago:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16...6820232880

I am still waiting to see what happens with the 3070 stocks so I can do a good build and run 1440p.
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ZohairB
10-21-2020 at 05:38 AM.
10-21-2020 at 05:38 AM.
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Are t force delta ram any good? I keep seeing deals on these but I've never heard of them aside from slickdeals. Most people I know stick to big brands.

Yes they are a good and reliable branf
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tyman
10-21-2020 at 06:16 AM.
10-21-2020 at 06:16 AM.
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Are t force delta ram any good? I keep seeing deals on these but I've never heard of them aside from slickdeals. Most people I know stick to big brands.
Yep, they are g2g.
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Undefined.null
10-21-2020 at 07:02 AM.
10-21-2020 at 07:02 AM.
So is the 3600 number or the CL18 number more important for an AMD build?
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ProductFRED
10-21-2020 at 07:10 AM.
10-21-2020 at 07:10 AM.
Quote from nate.lee.munk :
So is the 3600 number or the CL18 number more important for an AMD build?
Here's a quick and simple explanation, but note this applies to Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000 series): https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comm...ted_sweet/

If you're going Zen 3 (the upcoming 5000 series chips), you'll want 4000 MHz as the "sweet spot": https://wccftech.com/amds-ryzen-5...weet-spot/

For Zen 2, 3600 MHz CL16 is the best you should go for. Anything above that will actually result in lesser performance due to the way Ryzen chips work. Ryzen chips' on-chip memory controller speed runs at the RAM speed. So for Zen 2 chips, for example, the memory controller will run at 3733 MHz (max) or below natively.

But RAM at that speed is stupid expensive because it's not really mass-produced, so that's why AMD recommends 3600 CL16 as the most cost-effective maximum. If your RAM runs above 3733 MHz, the memory controller and RAM will work out-of-sync to compensate, which results in lesser performance (notice in the chart in the first link that the latency goes up after 3733 MHz).

You can go 3600 MHz CL18, which is a little cheaper. But CL16 will give you better performance between the two (if you're looking for that). For casual usage/light gaming, you probably won't notice a difference.
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EfficientFeather178
10-21-2020 at 08:39 AM.
10-21-2020 at 08:39 AM.
Been out of PC for 8yrs and I'm finally building a new one. Currently looking at get the new Zen 3 5800x when it comes out. How does this compare with Corsairs Vengeance at 3200 ($130). I know 3600 is higher but I never heard of T force and was wondering if these are a much better buy?
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jinjuice
10-21-2020 at 09:29 AM.
10-21-2020 at 09:29 AM.
Black version with 3200mhz and c16 are also available for $105 https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-...6820331380
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