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Thoughts on this article?

I understand a lot of pro-crypto have their biases especially due to their exposures. however having experienced the housing crisis/gfc in 2007, I understand the unwinding of CDOs, CMOs, synthetics, etc. and when the liquidity dried up. The only reason the global economy didn't collapse was due to Central banks stepping in and injecting/providing liquidity. I wonder if this would happen for decentralized cryptos and have my doubts.

A lot of noise is being made about bitcoin running up to 100k+, but I think everyone thinks its a party until the music stops and exchanges run out of fiat or become insolvent with the demise of tether. I never realized the float was that large and think this is a huge black swan event.

I don't think its a crypto "killer" and see value in blockchain tech, but the collapse can cause a massive price shock and am concerned for those that are levered using money out of their retirement accounts or taking loans against their homes. Sure there is a possibility it may go on for a few more days or even years, and people in the ecosystem may say ill pull the money out before.... many said the same with other investments also before other collapses and were not able to do so.

Crashes happen when people least expect it.

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02-24-2021 at 12:15 AM.
02-24-2021 at 12:15 AM.
back to original topic of the thread. i believe they came to a resolution for the lawsuit mentioned in the article that the author was concerned about.
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jcrash
02-24-2021 at 08:34 AM.
02-24-2021 at 08:34 AM.
Quote from Kouskous44 :
Love it how people come out positive on a high risk/reward trade. If so, congratulations as you are on of the few fortunate ones to cash out on a gain.👍

But as a zero sum game, there were a lot of people who also lost a fortune as a counterparty to your trade.

I hope it does go up to 200k, but for others who are new to this, there will be a time when there is a 90% drawdown in crypto. And a majority wont see it coming so be aware of the risks. Most of ct didnt see this drawdown coming either.
It was an easy trade...I have a spreadsheet that calculates things like premiums on Grayscale funds and implied business value on MSTR. MSTR got to an implied value of $850 or so... on a $150 stock.

Premiums on grayscale are the easiest trade. Making 10-30% on market shifts in premiums occasionally is a nice Alpha to bitcoin.
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02-24-2021 at 08:40 AM.
02-24-2021 at 08:40 AM.
Quote from jcrash :
It was an easy trade...I have a spreadsheet that calculates things like premiums on Grayscale funds and implied business value on MSTR. MSTR got to an implied value of $850 or so... on a $150 stock.

Premiums on grayscale are the easiest trade. Making 10-30% on market shifts in premiums occasionally is a nice Alpha to bitcoin.

Ger what you are saying from a trading perspective.

Im talking about fat tail risk, idyosyncractic risk, and systemic risk. Still valid and eventally happens historically. Most dont have the skills or insight to get out of the trade prior.

Got to zoom out. 🤙
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02-27-2021 at 07:48 PM.
02-27-2021 at 07:48 PM.
Seems like that fat tail risk is kicking in. Hope its not too severe to those holding on. 🤞
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02-27-2021 at 08:21 PM.
02-27-2021 at 08:21 PM.
Quote from jordanb9095 :
back to original topic of the thread. i believe they came to a resolution for the lawsuit mentioned in the article that the author was concerned about.

That just for NY. Still doesnt address issues and concerns around usd backing and the liquidity issue should there be a run on the money.
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03-02-2021 at 06:17 PM.
03-02-2021 at 06:17 PM.
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That just for NY. Still doesnt address issues and concerns around usd backing and the liquidity issue should there be a run on the money.
yea that is a concern but im still long
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03-02-2021 at 06:23 PM.
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yea that is a concern but im still long

Understandable given the potential opportunity; dont put in what you cant afford to loose. Hope it works out.

Suggest considering appropriate allocation and prudent risk managment - as should be with any investment.
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vaylon
03-25-2021 at 11:50 PM.
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China and Russia have more control over Bitcoin than all of western society. But western society is the largest investors. That doesn't sound good to me.
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04-02-2021 at 07:02 AM.
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China and Russia have more control over Bitcoin than all of western society. But western society is the largest investors. That doesn't sound good to me.
Assuming Hash power equates to control would be incorrect. Additionally, assuming most crypto is owned by western society is also not a valid assumption.
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Understandable given the potential opportunity; dont put in what you cant afford to loose. Hope it works out.

Suggest considering appropriate allocation and prudent risk managment - as should be with any investment.
Alts.. got it.

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04-06-2021 at 11:44 PM.
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Quote from jcrash :
Assuming Hash power equates to control would be incorrect. Additionally, assuming most crypto is owned by western society is also not a valid assumption.

Alts.. got it.

No you don't get it.

Good luck.
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04-13-2021 at 12:08 PM.
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No you don't get it.

Good luck.
S&P over last 12 months has done real well, 53%.

My ROTH? 806% Trust me, I get it. 80% draw down would put me where?
$100 in s&P would be $153
$100 in my Roth would be $906 less $725 for $181...or still outperforming the S&P by a ton.
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04-13-2021 at 10:11 PM.
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Quote from jcrash :
S&P over last 12 months has done real well, 53%.

My ROTH? 806% Trust me, I get it. 80% draw down would put me where?
$100 in s&P would be $153
$100 in my Roth would be $906 less $725 for $181...or still outperforming the S&P by a ton.

You are very selective on your points to shill crypto. Keep in mind there will be a time of 70%+ drawdown and my guess is youll be quiet

If you were so successfull you wouldnt be bragging on this forum. Do what you do but dont mislead others to fomo.

You compare active vs passive during a volitile period. Many active traders have done much better than the numbers you stated so its not comparing apples to apples. Past performance is not indicative of future results.

For those looking into crypto please also read this:

https://hackernoon.com/the-end-of...t-wk1l330l
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04-14-2021 at 06:33 AM.
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You are very selective on your points to shill crypto. Keep in mind there will be a time of 70%+ drawdown and my guess is youll be quiet

If you were so successfull you wouldnt be bragging on this forum. Do what you do but dont mislead others to fomo.

You compare active vs passive during a volitile period. Many active traders have done much better than the numbers you stated so its not comparing apples to apples. Past performance is not indicative of future results.

For those looking into crypto please also read this:

https://hackernoon.com/the-end-of...t-wk1l330l [hackernoon.com]
70% drawdown from where? That's the question.
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04-14-2021 at 06:51 AM.
04-14-2021 at 06:51 AM.
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70% drawdown from where? That's the question.

Could be soon could be later. No one knows including you.

But the risks of a drawdown is much higher here than those who claim to buy much earlier.

See this ponzi scheme only works if more money goes into it. Its the people who get in later who have a greater chance of loss.

Whatever I say wont convince you anyways. Keep on hodling. Smilie
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04-14-2021 at 09:53 PM.
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70% drawdown from where? That's the question.
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Could be soon could be later. No one knows including you.

But the risks of a drawdown is much higher here than those who claim to buy much earlier.

See this ponzi scheme only works if more money goes into it. Its the people who get in later who have a greater chance of loss.

Whatever I say wont convince you anyways. Keep on hodling.
He likes cryptos so let him be. You don't like it because you missed the train and that's okay, me 2. There are always things to buy so look for those.
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