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Are these 2 surge protectors the same except one has a shorter cord?

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02-12-2021 at 07:35 PM.
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Hmm ......I just changed my audio equipment protectors out today with the Amazon ones. The things grip the plugs like a magnet, and for some reason I have a blacker backgrounds. These things get rid of a lot of background noise. Crutchfield said they were audiophile quality...
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02-12-2021 at 07:45 PM.
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Hmm ......I just changed my audio equipment protectors out today with the Amazon ones. The things grip the plugs like a magnet, and for some reason I have a blacker backgrounds. These things get rid of a lot of background noise. Crutchfield said they were audiophile quality...
Any decent power source won't add noise to your system. I think UL listing means they have to send it out to be tested so it doesn't burn down your house. I don't think you need to pay for anything better. It is good to avoid low quality. Reminds me of the Monster Cable days when they rattled off a lot of BS stats and charged ridiculous prices.
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02-12-2021 at 07:52 PM.
02-12-2021 at 07:52 PM.
Quote from CompusaHardDrive :
Any decent power source won't add noise to your system. I think UL listing means they have to send it out to be tested so it doesn't burn down your house. I don't think you need to pay for anything better. It is good to avoid low quality. Reminds me of the Monster Cable days when they rattled off a lot of BS stats and charged ridiculous prices.
I don't know. My equipment sounds different today. I agree though on though a less revealing system a difference probably would not be heard.....
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02-12-2021 at 07:54 PM.
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I don't know. My equipment sounds different today. I agree though on though a less revealing system a difference probably would not be heard.....
you bought the better of the two ... I think it is diminishing returns if you bought a $100 one ... I bet there would be no difference
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02-12-2021 at 08:02 PM.
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you bought the better of the two ... I think it is diminishing returns if you bought a $100 one ... I bet there would be no difference
Yeah Crutchfield put a $200.00 Pamamax surge protector in my cart if I didn't like these. These will do and they are on sale and 540 joules too...
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02-13-2021 at 09:38 AM.
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All that stuff is just cray like spending 50.00 for a HDMI cable. Same spec same output as long as the gauge of wire is OK for longer runs.

I used to sell stereos and we had an AB switch people would claim to be able to tell the difference between stuff until they had an A/B switch in there hand and did not know which they were listening to the 400.00speakers or the 40.00 ones for most songs. Certain songs that really stressed the speakers you could tell but receivers you could rarely tell. we would let the customer set up each system so they sounded fine to them then do the A/B.

That said I would protect my stuff with a UPS vs s surge protector in this day of power outages in the summer there are times when low voltage could be more of an issue than a surge.
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02-13-2021 at 09:40 AM.
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both are counterfeit so go with the one at walmart
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02-13-2021 at 12:53 PM.
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All that stuff is just cray like spending 50.00 for a HDMI cable. Same spec same output as long as the gauge of wire is OK for longer runs.

I used to sell stereos and we had an AB switch people would claim to be able to tell the difference between stuff until they had an A/B switch in there hand and did not know which they were listening to the 400.00speakers or the 40.00 ones for most songs. Certain songs that really stressed the speakers you could tell but receivers you could rarely tell. we would let the customer set up each system so they sounded fine to them then do the A/B.

That said I would protect my stuff with a UPS vs s surge protector in this day of power outages in the summer there are times when low voltage could be more of an issue than a surge.
I live in the lightning capital of the US (central Fla.), but am in the center of a small town. We have a pretty good electrical system, but the storms in the summer can be vicious. I have thousands of dollars worth of equipment. If we get a really bad storm and I am home, or know about in advance , I just unplug. After 20 years...so far so good, accept for a microwave and refrigerator that didn't have any protection.
Update...May have spoken too soon. Realizing now I have lost some dynamic range, probably because these units act as a kind of power conditioner.
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02-16-2021 at 05:24 AM.
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Surge protectors in plastic cases. The way these things work to dissipate the surge is to turn it into heat. Heat in a plastic case can cause it to catch on fire. It happens. This is why I only buy these things if they are in metal cases, even though they can be hard to find sometimes.

The one on Amazon is in a metal case and UL listed. I really like that.

Monoprice link isn't working for me (blocked at work) so I can't compare.
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02-16-2021 at 01:31 PM.
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Quote from zzyzzx :
Pet Peeve:
Surge protectors in plastic cases. The way these things work to dissipate the surge is to turn it into heat. Heat in a plastic case can cause it to catch on fire. It happens. This is why I only buy these things if they are in metal cases, even though they can be hard to find sometimes.

The one on Amazon is in a metal case and UL listed. I really like that.

Monoprice link isn't working for me (blocked at work) so I can't compare.
i'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. the spikes trigger varistors or arrestors and redirect to ground.

the ones that catch fire i think are quality issues. where the energy is able to arc and doesn't ground properly.
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02-17-2021 at 07:54 AM.
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i'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. the spikes trigger varistors or arrestors and redirect to ground.

the ones that catch fire i think are quality issues. where the energy is able to arc and doesn't ground properly.

https://www.electrical-forensics....ssors.html

MOV (varistor) Fires and UL1449
When the energy rating of an MOV is exceeded, the results can be catastrophic. MOVs can breakdown and holes can be blown in them. MOVs can catch fire! MOV fire in surge protector fires became such a problem that in February 1998, the second edition of UL 1449, Standard for Surge Protection Devices, required that surge suppressors fail in a safe manner without causing a fire. All of the surge protector that I have examined that were manufactured after 1998 have contained some type of thermal fuse. The thermal fuse is usually pressed up against a MOV or between two MOVs and held in place by mylar tape or UL-94 VW-1 flame rated shrink tubing. In addition on some of their models, Belkin and Power Sentry place fiberglass covers over the MOV's.



OK, so if you have any old surge suppressors in plastic cases, check to see if the MOV's have flame protection!

Link has a bunch of good pictures, including carnage.
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02-17-2021 at 08:59 AM.
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Link has a bunch of good pictures, including carnage.
Is there a way to test these things. I was thinking about running 240 volts to an old TV.
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