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you are misinformed about QLC, you have to exhaust write cache not simply 50% of storage.
this is typically 12-25GB! and not a factor for most users. And extracting games is Read which is never affected

Quote from CharleyW :
TLC!
There are four types of nvme from best to worst, SLC MLC TLC and qlc. avoid QLC at all costs! When qlc goes past 50% of storage capacity it will lose write speed dramatically! Once you get towards full and you try to extract 50GB Game you're write speed can drop all the way down to a few 100 KB/second. You read correctly KB per second!
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Quote from CharleyW :
TLC!
There are four types of nvme from best to worst, SLC MLC TLC and qlc. avoid QLC at all costs! When qlc goes past 50% of storage capacity it will lose write speed dramatically! Once you get towards full and you try to extract 50GB Game you're write speed can drop all the way down to a few 100 KB/second. You read correctly KB per second!
This is incorrect and way oversimplified.

Slickdealers, use this write up from NewMaxx on what the pros/cons are and what SSD is right for you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/...resources/
https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide.pdf


Hint: you don't need prosumer drives to play games. There are tons of budget vs prosumer SSDcomparison videos on gaming out there.
Last edited by exclusive784 February 17, 2021 at 04:43 AM.
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This ssd has dram?
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Quote from CharleyW :
TLC!
There are four types of nvme from best to worst, SLC MLC TLC and qlc. avoid QLC at all costs! When qlc goes past 50% of storage capacity it will lose write speed dramatically! Once you get towards full and you try to extract 50GB Game you're write speed can drop all the way down to a few 100 KB/second. You read correctly KB per second!
Which of the drives in this deal are TLC. All of them?
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Quote from CharleyW :
TLC!
There are four types of nvme from best to worst, SLC MLC TLC and qlc. avoid QLC at all costs! When qlc goes past 50% of storage capacity it will lose write speed dramatically! Once you get towards full and you try to extract 50GB Game you're write speed can drop all the way down to a few 100 KB/second. You read correctly KB per second!
This is wrong info and a dramatic over simplification. QLC is fine 99% of the users 99% of the time.
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Quote from peter_parker :
Which of the drives in this deal are TLC. All of them?
Crucial P2 - TLC NAND, DRAM-less (with Host Memory Buffer aka HMB)
Crucial P1 - QLC NAND, with DRAM (DDR3)
Samsung 970 EVO Plus - TLC NAND, with DRAM (LPDDR4)
Seagate Barracuda 510 - TLC NAND, with DRAM (DDR4)
Team Group Cardea C440 - TLC NAND, with DRAM (DDR4)

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Using a Crucial P2 in my current build and it's pretty fast, coming from a 256gb Sata SSD.
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Quote from jehoey :
This is wrong info and a dramatic over simplification. QLC is fine 99% of the users 99% of the time.
That is an overstatement. QLC has limitations which are relevant for a meaningful amount of people. Putting an exact number on it is difficult but it's more than 1% of people. Anyone who does large data transfers, or a large amount of writes overall, can run into issues with QLC. That's many people in engineering/science fields, graphic design, or even just people who frequently transfer large games or movies back and forth between drives. For many people, 50gb transfers are nothing.
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Quote from sr71 :
you are misinformed about QLC, you have to exhaust write cache not simply 50% of storage.
this is typically 12-25GB! and not a factor for most users. And extracting games is Read which is never affected
The cache will decrease as the drive fills. In reality all drives that aren't mlc will start to slow substantially when more than ~65% full. Dramless and qlc being the worst in this respect.
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Quote from exclusive784 :
you don't need prosumer drives to play games.
I run Minecraft from an Optane 900P. LMAO
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the cache may decrease but in the case of the 1 QLC drive listed it's still 25GB at nearly full - so the claim is still bogus if there's sufficient cache. that's the cause of a slowdown.

all SSDs slow down as they fill because of fewer data pathways - either way it's not the regurgitated factoid from a noob who misread it from some forum.
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The cache will decrease as the drive fills. In reality all drives that aren't mlc will start to slow substantially when more than ~65% full. Dramless and qlc being the worst in this respect.
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Quote from sr71 :
the cache may decrease but in the case of the 1 QLC drive listed it's still 25GB at nearly full - so the claim is still bogus if there's sufficient cache. that's the cause of a slowdown.

all SSDs slow down as they fill because of fewer data pathways - either way it's not the regurgitated factoid from a noob who misread it from some forum.
Yes clearly that guy was mistaken but the notion that qlc drives have no downside for 99% of us, or that the slc cache fixes all, isn't true either. Both sides have wildly exaggerated.

Between natural slowing of the drive as it fills, and the reduction of cache as it fills, many use cases are restricted by qlc drives such as this. Does that apply to someone who just casually uses their computer for games and web surfing? Not really. But many people use their computers for more. 25gb+ transfers are not that uncommon. Further, those of us who use these drives as scratch drives for editing (as basically more RAM), can run into issues with endurance.

People should understand the limitations and decide for themselves. It doesn't help anyone for one side to say it's qlc trash and the other to say it's appropriate for 99% of use cases.
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