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Bluetti AC200P 2000Wh/2000W Portable Power Station $1698

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Quote from Yasha_El :
Except when there is no power at the gas stations. Texas went several days without any power and that means the gas stations didn't have power either, so no gas. If you run out of gas ion day two or three, what do you do then? Generators are just one step, now days you need a second source that can convert solar. I think we have to upgrade our plans now that solar power more available with units like these. That's my logic anyway.
I have enough gas on hand to last me 3 weeks with my inverter generator. I'd be fine
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firelikeiyaMar 14, 2021 01:46 PM
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Will this do 220v?

EDIT: Looking at this thing, nothing about it makes sense. I currently have a Honda EU3000is generator... they cost around $1200 used and it has 30% more capacity then this battery. I'm comparing a used generator to this new battery because this battery will have a <10 year lifespan while the Honda generator will last a lifetime. SO let's look at it, $1698 + tax is ~$1840. That is $640 more than the Honda. The Honda takes about 1 gallon of gas to run for 3 hours. If you use premium at $3.30 per gallon, you can buy 194 gallons of gas which will provide over 580 hours of power. This doesn't take into account that you also have to still charge the battery at a rate that is ~ 40% of producing your own generation. That makes using it for a power storage extremely expensive when combined with the purchase price and if you are planning on using it for an emergency source of power then you will most likely have it hooked up to a charger all the time which will further reduce the lifespan of the cells. Again, it just doesn't make sense. I would say this is not a good price.
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Quote from firelikeiya :
Will this do 220v?

EDIT: Looking at this thing, nothing about it makes sense. I currently have a Honda EU3000is generator... they cost around $1200 used and it has 30% more capacity then this battery. I'm comparing a used generator to this new battery because this battery will have a <10 year lifespan while the Honda generator will last a lifetime. SO let's look at it, $1698 + tax is ~$1840. That is $640 more than the Honda. The Honda takes about 1 gallon of gas to run for 3 hours. If you use premium at $3.30 per gallon, you can buy 194 gallons of gas which will provide over 580 hours of power. This doesn't take into account that you also have to still charge the battery at a rate that is ~ 40% of producing your own generation. That makes using it for a power storage extremely expensive when combined with the purchase price and if you are planning on using it for an emergency source of power then you will most likely have it hooked up to a charger all the time which will further reduce the lifespan of the cells. Again, it just doesn't make sense. I would say this is not a good price.
I agree with you BUT.... This doesn't make any noise, doesn't have any emissions, and can't have a clogged carb. Other than that, unless you have solar panels to recharge it, I can't see much point to it.
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Quote from Medic311 :
I have enough gas on hand to last me 3 weeks with my inverter generator. I'd be fine
Or people could "fill up" their cars before a big storm and siphon the gas if they run out.
My 1100w generator runs on less than a gallon for hours.

Also, a Group 24 marine deep cycle battery ($90)​, a case ($8), a 2000w inverter ($180), a battery charger ($80), and you get the same power. $360
Add in some solar cells if you want an alternate way to charge the battery, and you're set for much less.

This LiFePO4 power station weighs 60lbs.
Therefore, not much different in weight than a deep cycle battery (which comes with a handle, too).

It's not that a LiFePO4 power station cannot be a great alternative, it's just that it is not affordable to the majority of people. Top 5% with disposable income, sure. Average working man with middle class income...better cheaper alternatives.
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Quote from SpinControl :
Or people could "fill up" their cars before a big storm and siphon the gas if they run out.
My 1100w generator runs on less than a gallon for hours.

Also, a Group 24 marine deep cycle battery ($90)​, a case ($8), a 2000w inverter ($180), a battery charger ($80), and you get the same power. $360
Add in some solar cells if you want an alternate way to charge the battery, and you're set for much less.

This LiFePO4 power station weighs 60lbs.
Therefore, not much different in weight than a deep cycle battery (which comes with a handle, too).

^ this.

but i never recommend siphoning gas out from a vehicle. if someone is taking the effort to go to the gas station, they can spend the extra 5 mins and fill up a few 5 gallon gas cans.

and yes people underestimate the usefulness of those deep cycle marine batteries which are very cheap (even if one lives in a high tax high regulation liberal nanny state like Californina where you have to pay all of those taxes and fees). you can go grab an inverter from harbor freight for cheap with coupon, a charger for $10, and you are set. and as you said, add a solar panel or two and keep that baby topped off during the day
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kherbinoskieMar 14, 2021 04:56 PM
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This makes Tesla Powerwall really cheap.

14,000 WH for $8000 == 1.75W per dollar.

Bluetti AC200P

2,000 WH for $1,700 == 1.17W per dollar
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Quote from SpinControl :
Or people could "fill up" their cars before a big storm and siphon the gas if they run out.
My 1100w generator runs on less than a gallon for hours.

Also, a Group 24 marine deep cycle battery ($90)​, a case ($8), a 2000w inverter ($180), a battery charger ($80), and you get the same power. $360
Add in some solar cells if you want an alternate way to charge the battery, and you're set for much less.

This LiFePO4 power station weighs 60lbs.
Therefore, not much different in weight than a deep cycle battery (which comes with a handle, too).

It's not that a LiFePO4 power station cannot be a great alternative, it's just that it is not affordable to the majority of people. Top 5% with disposable income, sure. Average working man with middle class income...better cheaper alternatives.
I am not here to defend this product, I am not buying it. I just want to share more info.
  1. A Group 24 Marine Battery usually weights 50lbs, rated at 80Ah which is around 900 WH... however, batteries like this should not be discharged for more than 50% so you can only use 450WH. You need 3 of this battery to match this posted product useable stored power. Now your system is 100lbs heavier and $200 more.
  2. Now you need a bigger case for 3 batteries. I doubt that will still be $8.
  3. Also, Deep Cycle Marine batteries has around 500 charge cycles (at 50% discharge cycles.. worse life cycle if discharged more). So you will need 6 sets of 3. What does that mean, you will need 18x Group 24 Deep Cycle Marine Batteries to match this. Looks like that's the cost of the whole Bluetti system. And still, after that, this Bluetti will still work at 80% capacity and the 18 batteries you had were long gone.
  4. This Marine batteries are for outdoors. You may want to consider that.
  5. For 12v system, you will need thick and heavy 1 gauge wires (for safety) to connect the 3 batteries and inverter together. This 1gauge wire and heavy duty connectors and breakers are expensive. Add another $100+ for your budget.
  6. You forgot to add a 700w MPPT charge controller (to match this). For 12v system, you need a 60A MPPT. Add another $150 for your budget.
  7. This Buetti also includes USB chargers, Power delivery, and 2 wireless chargers. If you want to match that, that's probably will cost you another $100 for quality ones.
  8. This Bluetti includes monitoring too. It monitors cells individually, gives you input and output numbers. etc. I don't think there's a 1 single device solution for this if you want it. Noticed your homemade system is getting bulkier, heavier and more expensive?
  9. You don't really want to siphon gas for safety and health. Most modern cars have screen filter too so your hose won't really reach the gas.
  10. Would you keep running a conventional gas generator just to charge 4 cellphones? A full tank will usually ran out in 8-12 hrs even on idle. This Bluetti will give your 4 cellphones juice 24/7 for weeks and you can use it indoors, anytime.. no fumes, no gas, no loud noise, no spark plugs etc.


All in all, I am not still buying this Bluetti because like you said, people like me don't have that disposable income. I'll wait for more competition to drive the price down.... however your alternative solutions for this weren't any better. In fact, it is more expensive and dangerous.
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Where did you manage to find them open box? I'd be interested in waiting a bit to see one on the market. Thank you.
Bought it locally through private party that looks like it was Amazon return/customer changed mind and since there's restrictions on shipping batteries back to Amazon or manufacturer it ends up in a local facility and gets auctioned off. Have also seen new AC200p for not much more than the $1K I paid for the EB240 but prefer more capacity over higher output. Just test all the ports like I did.
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Quote from Toller :
I agree with you BUT.... This doesn't make any noise, doesn't have any emissions, and can't have a clogged carb. Other than that, unless you have solar panels to recharge it, I can't see much point to it.

That's why I compared it to my Honda. It runs at 49-58 decibels depending on load. The gas generator runs at ~45 percent efficiency while the battery is being charged from ~ 60% efficient power sources that have a 5% transmission loss, 2% AC->DC conversion loss, 2% DC->AC conversion loss and a variable amount of decay loss depending on how long the battery sits before being used. So the battery is really at most 51% efficient. It is not much of a difference as far as emissions is concerned with the caveat being unless you are able to charge the battery using solar power. Honda generators rarely experience clog carburetors. It's usually the cheap Chinese clone carburetors that do.
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Quote from SpinControl :
Or people could "fill up" their cars before a big storm and siphon the gas if they run out.
That is a great idea if you can defeat the anti-siphon device.
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Quote from firelikeiya :
Honda generators rarely experience clog carburetors. It's usually the cheap Chinese clone carburetors that do.
I had a 3kw generator 15 years ago that repeatedly had a clogged carb. I don't remember if it was a Honda or a Yamaha, but it wasn't a cheap Chinese clone.

OTOH I had a Craftsman snow blower that wouldn't start the second year, still under warranty. The repair man told me it was a POS and I should plan on replacing the carb yearly. It never clogged again. Go figure.
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Quote from Yasha_El :
So you'd rather freeze than have a way to plug in a heater or a few electric blankets. Okay. Make sure you make that statement if that ever happens to your family. (and I'm not wishing that on you)
"I didn't buy a battery powered generator because the batteries severely underperform in cold weather!" I'll just hope and prey the ice storm melts soon and the roads clear up so the power company can get the powerlines back up.

Oh wait...what if it's a 120 degrees in the summer outside and there's a blackout for a week? New York. What if the grid goes down for a few months? What if a hurricane takes out the whole system? How you gonna get gas or propane? Puerto Rico. I know it's difficult to imagine and we all love to think it can't happen here (where ever that is) but it's really kinda ignorant to think this way anymore. But hey, do you buddy. I've got more than one option if this ever happens, and that's the point.
wut...
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Quote from Medic311 :
I have enough gas on hand to last me 3 weeks with my inverter generator. I'd be fine
Gas has to be rotated every few months, which is real pain of the neck, unless you have a fuel pump.

Also you cannot run your inverter generator indoors, which means you need a transfer switch at breaker panel. Since this battery power source can be used indoors it can be moved from device to device, as needed. The ability to recharge from solar panels is rather convenient but does require taking device outside to be close to these panels.

Overall it has some use but is not for everyone who needs backup power, in case of blackout.
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Quote from will792 :
Gas has to be rotated every few months, which is real pain of the neck, unless you have a fuel pump.

Also you cannot run your inverter generator indoors, which means you need a transfer switch at breaker panel. Since this battery power source can be used indoors it can be moved from device to device, as needed. The ability to recharge from solar panels is rather convenient but does require taking device outside to be close to these panels.

Overall it has some use but is not for everyone who needs backup power, in case of blackout.
I use stabil and rotate gas once a year. Been doing it for years. No issues, ever. If you want emergency power, get a gas generator. If you want to power toys when camping, get battery things like this
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That is a great idea if you can defeat the anti-siphon device.
https://preparednessadvice.com/si...-damaging/

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