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Select LA/SF Dealers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15k Fuel Card

after Tax Credits & Incentives (Select Locations)

$23,100

$52,408

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Ponzi
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I went to Hamer Toyota and they had balls to mark those up 3k plus 1k gps add-on. Came to $56.5k with no negotiation because stimulus money is here and dealers wants it all. Sad state
ExtremeOak
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Hydrogen Fuel cell is exempt from CA rebate income limits.

"The income cap applies for all eligible vehicle types except fuel-cell electric vehicles."

Source: cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/requirements/1470
sawman5
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Slow car, 0-60 is 9.3 sec

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beaulieu
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I would want to see where the "smart money" investors think the price of Hydrogen is going ,

And the supply , as someone said upstream , they had to park their hydrogen car for almost a month because there was no Hydrogen available ,

If it was a hybrid it would be more interesting Smilie

And the price of fuel is going to hurt when you have to pay retail after the Fuel Card runs out ,
Mar 20, 2021
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from samsonn25 :
Low income is under 150k?
Yes, let's make sure we provide as accurate information as possible so people can make the best decisions.

In general, it's $150K for single, 204K for head-of-household, and 300K for joint for CA and Fed BEV and PHEV income qualifications. There is even more incentives for those that are equal or greater than 400% poverty.

CA excludes income caps for FCEV because there just aren't enough FCEV cars and applicants.

CA only allows 1 BEV/PHEV rebate but the exception is with FCEV. You can get both 1 BEV/PHEV AND 1 FCEV like the Mirai.

https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en...ligibility
Mar 20, 2021
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Banana_Fly
Mar 20, 2021
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"We expect that the Mirai will still carry the incentive of three years/$15,000 of free fuel."
What is the news here? Car and driver was writing about it a long time ago. 60 mph: 9.1 sec, no thank you
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/mirai
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BlackMountain123
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from jimx200 :
LOL..I was born/raised here and old enough to have enjoyed our great years when we were at the top of all states. I'll fight the left's destruction and nonsense that's taking us down. I spent quite a few hours getting signatures for the Newsom recall and if we come up with a solid candidate, bye bye Gavey.
You wasted your time. CA won't elect another GOP governor for a long, long time. You might end up with someone worse than Newsom. He's annoying, though, I agree.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
Mar 20, 2021
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A few things to keep in mind when considering FCEVs:

1) $15K Hydrogen fuel card is good for 3 years for lease and 6 years for purchase.

2) Hydrogen fuel is currently more expensive than gas and way more than electric. Currently it's around $75-$100 for a full tank for the 400miles range. The idea and hope is that it will be more prevalent and cheaper over time BUT don't hope or buy this car on this wish.

3) The depreciation on the FCEV are the worst of any car you can buy so don't buy this car, or any FCEV, thinking you will recoup any real money if you intend to purchase the Mirai, like I did. Purchase this Lexus luxury caliber and quality car because it is a phenomenal deal for around a $7-$10K (give or take depending on your driving habits) after all the perks over six years. Yes, I think this car would easily last this long as it is a Toyota.

4) Make sure you have at least two+ hydrogen fueling stations conveniently located near your home or place of work. If not AVOID this car like Covid-19!!! Refueling is a huge compromise.

5) Do NOT consider this car unless you have access to a second car. Hydrogen fueling stations aren't ready for prime time, possibly never will be. I would think this applies to pure BEVs as well. I don't know too many people that only have a BEV as it too isn't ready for prime time but definitely will be. You will regret trying to having a only a FCEV, or even possibly BEV, as your only one vehicle. PHEV us the best for a single car scenario but BEV is more doable than FCEV. FCEV, no, just no.

I have friend that states he did the math on new car deprecation at $4K over 3 years. If you keep this Mirai over 6 years, this would mean about at least $8K+. Therefore, if you drive and take full advantage of the $15K fuel card then then $7-$10K cost over 6 years would be about how much a typical car depreciates. Please don't take this as fact but mere information that you would have to calculate and make sure it reflects your situation.

Overall, this 2021 Mirai is an fine piece of technology and luxury if it works for your specific situation.

* Typos and errors included.
Last edited by Duke-GlobeTrotter March 20, 2021 at 09:56 AM.
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BuckeyeRideR
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Doesn't even come close to the ROI on my 2007 Honda Civic I paid $1k for. 😀
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jimx200
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Quote from BlackMountain123 :
You wasted your time. CA won't elect another GOP governor for a long, long time. You might end up with someone worse than Newsom. He's annoying, though, I agree.
I really want to see someone who is fiscally conservative, regardless of party.

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BlackMountain123
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Quote from jimx200 :
I really want to see someone who is fiscally conservative, regardless of party.
Most people want that, including my Democrat family. BUT, the problem with the real fiscal conservatives is that they come with other baggage like virus denial, pathetic Trump loyalism (Donald Trump, of all people. Imagine how stupid someone has to be...), anti-science tendencies, etc.
Mar 20, 2021
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sandr8
Mar 20, 2021
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Can one use the CA tax credit even if they are no longer a resident but still owe a lot of taxes to California?
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CoolCaribou8118
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from sandr8 :
Can one use the CA tax credit even if they are no longer a resident but still owe a lot of taxes to California?
What are you going to do with this car if you don't live in CA?
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Chinaonnitrous1
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from supercoolman :
you can buy Mirai instead of lease only?
thought some of the tax credits have income restriction and are first come first serve until depleted for the year as well?
You can buy or lease. The Carpool Sticker VS. Rebate has an income cap.

Ca-DMV1000 form lists it out.
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PyRo1509
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
A few things to keep in mind when considering FCEVs:

1) $15K Hydrogen fuel card is good for 3 years for lease and 6 years for purchase.

2) Hydrogen fuel is currently more expensive than gas and way more than electric. Currently it's around $75-$100 for a full tank for the 400miles range. The idea and hope is that it will be more prevalent and cheaper over time BUT don't hope or buy this car on this wish.

3) The depreciation on the FCEV are the worst of any car you can buy so don't buy this car, or any FCEV, thinking you will recoup any real money if you intend to purchase the Mirai, like I did. Purchase this Lexus luxury caliber and quality car because it is a phenomenal deal for around a $7-$10K (give or take depending on your driving habits) after all the perks over six years. Yes, I think this car would easily last this long as it is a Toyota.

4) Make sure you have at least two+ hydrogen fueling stations conveniently located near your home or place of work. If not AVOID this car like Covid-19!!! Refueling is a huge compromise.

5) Do NOT consider this car unless you have access to a second car. Hydrogen fueling stations aren't ready for prime time, possibly never will be. I would think this applies to pure BEVs as well. I don't know too many people that only have a BEV as it too isn't ready for prime time but definitely will be. You will regret trying to having a only a FCEV, or even possibly BEV, as your only one vehicle. PHEV us the best for a single car scenario but BEV is more doable than FCEV. FCEV, no, just no.

I have friend that states he did the math on new car deprecation at $4K over 3 years. If you keep this Mirai over 6 years, this would mean about at least $8K+. Therefore, if you drive and take full advantage of the $15K fuel card then then $7-$10K cost over 6 years would be about how much a typical car depreciates. Please don't take this as fact but mere information that you would have to calculate and make sure it reflects your situation.

Overall, this 2021 Mirai is an fine piece of technology and luxury if it works for your specific situation.

* Typos and errors included.
For #2: hydrogen will never be cheap and unless there's a huge political shift it won't be green. The cheapest way to make hydrogen is by natural gas that produces CO2. The greenest but most expensive way is by solar panels, which the process losses 50% of the energy, thus will always cost at least 2x (this is if storage and transportation was free, it will never be) of BEV. Hydrogen is a bad energy storage solution for cars (and nearly everything else).

As for not knowing many who are full BEV; Hello, nice to meet you. I've got two Tesla's and no gas car. One with 110k miles and the other with 40k. I've driven them across the country. Stayed at Airbnb's. I'm not going to lie and say everything is the same as a gas car. But on the long trips where there's been a few inconveniences it's been outweighed by not having to fill up the gas tank biweekly.

Hydrogen stations will never be prime time because they will never be popular and always be expensive. I did research on this once about the cost of a filling station. Hydrogen was $1m to build one and an 8 car supercharger was $80k (this was a decade ago, but in my view nothing has changed). The economics will kill hydrogen every time.

In short: this car is a bad deal for life. The only thought I had for this deal was if the cost was low enough could I actually sell it for scrap and make $$.
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deusofhearts
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Quote from PyRo1509 :
In short: this car is a bad deal for life. The only thought I had for this deal was if the cost was low enough could I actually sell it for scrap and make $$.
For life, yes, but for the next 6 years at 0% APR (for tier 1 credit applicants) I think the upsides are in line with the total cost of ownership.
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AlexanderBlaQ
Mar 20, 2021
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Quote from wpc :
I'm in so cal and I still can't find a hydrogen that's a reasonable distance away. That's what's really killing the fuel cell market.
https://cafcp.org/stationmap
Found a few here in socal surprisingly one right next to my house here in orange county

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LeaninBack916
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Quote from cordycep :
Cali registration are expensive.... about $800 a year for 50K car. Even if it depreciate 80% of it value in 3 years.
And they literally don't care what the actual value is. That's why huge urlhasbeenblockedups affect registration. So even if you buy it for 23k they will rate it at the msrp range. Then it only goes down a set percentage each year even if it's worth near nothing.

I got a great deal on a 1995 Nissan 300zx with low miles. I paid $3000 for it but I did the math and they are charging me registration based on about a $9000 value.

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