Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [
Dealer Locator] located in
Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to
Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with
0% APR for 72-Months for as low as
$23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
- Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member
ExtremeOak for and reddit user
XIIXOO for finding this deal.
Deal Details:
- Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
- Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
- Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
- Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
- Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
- You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
- You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
- You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
- Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
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It gets fast quick though.
Tesla has had 50% compound annual growth pretty much every year since they began mass production.. (and likely significantly higher than that for 2021 and 2022).
And a number of legacy makers are finally noticing which way the wind is blowing too (most prominently VW).
Many countries are already discussing banning new ICE vehicles entire within the next 10-15 years.
This will have compounding impacts faster than you'd expect... if nobody's gonna even be able to sell new ICE vehicles by X date, it's going to crater sales of them much sooner because- much like these FCV cars- nobody's gonna want a used one in a few years either.
CA is certainly still their biggest market in the US... but then that's true for almost everybody since it's the most populated state.
Ultimately the issue is Tesla- as with all makers of even just decent EVs- is production limited.
If they could physically produce more cars, they'd easily sell them.
Demand is a lot higher than supply- something Tesla knew a long time ago but most other companies only realized in the last couple of years.
It's why VW is now scrambling to build half a dozen new battery factories.
Why GM is introducing 30 new EV models in the next 4 years.
Why Audi has discontinued development of new internal combustion engines.
For context on the growth-
Tesla sold 50,580 in 2015.
By 2020 they sold almost 10 times that number by adding just one more factory.
They're adding 2 more, and larger ones, this year.
By 2025 they expect to sell significantly more than 10 times their 2020 number.
Why?
50% CAGR has Tesla producing 20 million new BEVs a year in less than a decade.
That's 25% of all new cars sold in a year- and just from ONE company.... there'll be plenty more EVs from the legacy companies that manage to make the transition.
(the ones that don't.... well, there's a lot of companies that made great horse carriages that aren't with us anymore either)
I am.
It's objectively terrible in comparison.
It's a stupid, inferior, solution given the current and future state of BEVs.
In 1992? Sure.
Now, it's billions they've basically set on fire when they could've been working on better electrification which is the obvious future at this point.
The fact they failed to do so is why they've been on the offensive spreading FUD about electric cars--- they backed the wrong horse- and for way too long- and they're realizing just how screwed they are at this late stage so they're desperate to bail some more water out of what'll be an increasingly obviously sinking ship.
The average American drives less than 30 miles a day.
Meaning the 250-300 miles most typical new EVs offer is almost 10 times more than typically needed....
(and obviously Tesla is offering cars with over 400 miles of range today, and over 500 in the next year- and with quite fast charging for the occasional road trip).
It already has.
As I mention- Toyotas been throwing money down the toilet on it since 1992.
The total # of Mirais ever sold is about what just ONE BEV company sells in 1 week.
It's a dead technology for passenger cars. This sale is evidence of that.
Thankfully the number of who refuse to learn this lesson is down to basically Toyota and Hyundai at this point (and Hyundai is at least making credible BEV efforts)
Mercedes Benz, which has ALSO wasted 30 years working on FCV passenger cars, finally abandoned their own efforts last year.
Honda also announced last year they were putting further FCV efforts on "indefinite hold"
Volkswagen published a detailed explanation of why FCVs suck here:
https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.c...st
Not really.
It would mean massive amounts of wasted resources on an objectively inferior, less efficient, far far more costly, solution for no apparent benefit to anybody but the people pushing the inferior solution.
Format wars are generally bad for everyone.
As others have stated, I hope those that test drove this sexy looking Mirai and wanted this car with all of its compromises managed to get on the deal. The best car that I've ever driven (not making an argument that it's the best car, etc.)
Just an article that is not directly related to FCEV but the potential of hydrogen fuel: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energ...rogen.h
The icing on the cake: the consortium of green hydrogen producers says we can expect to see $2/kg hydrogen in just four years' time.
"From an industry perspective, we see no technical barriers to achieving this, so it's time to get on with the virtuous cycle of cost reduction through scale up. Having led the race to deliver photovoltaic energy at well-below US$2 cents per kilowatt-hour, in certain geographies, we believe the collective ingenuity and entrepreneurship of the private sector can deliver green hydrogen at less than US$2 per kilogram within four years,'' "Paddy Padmanathan, CEO of ACWA Power, has declared.
Suddenly, seemingly overvalued hydrogen stocks such as Plug Power Inc. (NASDAQ
Plug Power is up over 1,053% over the past 12 months; Bloom Energy stock has gained 563%, BLDP has rallied 217%, while FuelCell Energy (NASDAQ:FCEL) has racked up gains of 1,127% over the timeframe. Is it hyper-speculative? Yes. But it's also possible that we haven't seen the end of this yet.
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Fat chance though.
For those that say this car is slow, here's a POV of someone driving it on Ortega highway.
https://youtu.be/h8pW3oREmbQ
I wish he'd turn off ASC (fake engine sound). Fortunately, that's not an option on my XLE and the XLE is lighter so it's actually faster than the car in this video.
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Certainly they get the majority of their batteries from 3rd parties right now, but they absolutely make their own as well
And are currently working to vastly scale up their own production, while also scaling up 3rd party purchases, because like all BEV makers, they are battery constrained in the face of larger demand than they can supply cars.
Same reason GM is building a joint battery factory right now with another already on the drawing board.... and same reason VW just announced plans for a number of battery factories as well.
Toyota has the opposite problem with their fuel cell boondoggle- more cars than demand...hence why they're practically giving them away at this point.
You are so desperate for a dream and so deep in the cult that you're lurking a Toyato thread ready to white knight for your god Musk and whatever stock holdings you have.
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Btw, here's the warranty thread: https://slickdeals.net/e/8771643-auto-truck-suv-extended-warranty-master-thread-all-vehicles-feb-2021
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