Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [
Dealer Locator] located in
Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to
Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with
0% APR for 72-Months for as low as
$23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
- Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member
ExtremeOak for and reddit user
XIIXOO for finding this deal.
Deal Details:
- Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
- Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
- Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
- Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
- Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
- You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
- You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
- You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
- Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
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I just want a decent $30k non-gasoline car (similar to Honda accord) that can do real world range of 300 miles. 350 is ideal as that's about 1 refuel trip per week for my commute.
I'm not sure how current you are on charging times.
The newer Tesla superchargers add 180 miles of range in 15 minutes.
And the LR Model 3 already offers 353 miles of EPA range.
Even without a garage, if you've got a driveway and a regular electrical outlet you can still add 30-40 miles a day in range just plugging in at home half the day you're not out.
I'd agree a BEV is probably not the best option if, say, your only parking situation is on-street parking below your 5th floor NYC walkup or something.... but the vast majority of the US lives in detached single-family homes.
Sure- as long as you only ever drive locally in the relatively small % of the country that has hydrogen fuel stations, and are ok with the car either being worthless (if bought) or returning after the lease.
It's a pretty niche situation- far more than the ones that an EV won't work for- but in that niche it's a great deal.
The base price of the LR AWD Model 3 is is $46,990.
The SR+ version is $37,990 (with "only" 263 miles of range)
I find it superior to the Lexus it replaced in most ways though- but I suppose this will be subjective- some folks think an interior is terrible unless it's got 300 buttons or something, others thing it's terrible without an analog clock for some reason... YMMV here.
Just an article that is not directly related to FCEV but the potential of hydrogen fuel: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energ...rogen.h
Plus the more FUD they spread about "alternatives" to BEVs the slower they make that transition and the more oil they can sell.
Doesn't mean the facts or science support them on it- just the personal economics for them.
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The prius isn't an EV though- it's a hybrid. Not a bad idea 20 years ago- But worst of both worlds in 2021.
Their failure to move on pure EVs is why they keep spreading FUD about them- they know they wasted a decade they should've been developing and building them and they're way behind the competition now so they want to slow everyone else down.
if Lexus had sold a good EV 5 years ago I'd own it. Instead they're still doing teasers and concepts 10 years after Tesla has been in mass production of cars, and dragging their feet as much as possible.
Uh... what?
Adding a 240v plug isn't remotely that much.
Couple hundred bucks unless you need it run a significant distance from your circuit breaker panel.
(under 100 bucks if you DIY)
There's no reason to sit there for 45 minutes unless you need to be there ANYWAY (like you're shopping nearby, or eating a sit down meal)
Stopping for 10-15 minutes, twice, will add more charge than 1 45 minute stop will.
I've never had to wait to use one on the rare road trip I've needed it- but in fairness I'm on the east coast.
Especially since it's not the first time you've been caught doing it.
Nor is it "a few" it's a pilot line in California that is ramping to 10 gwh of cells.
AND they're also building production lines at the Berlin factory opening later this year, the Austin factory opening later this year, and adding their own lines in Nevada.... with plans to be producing 100 Gwh of THEIR OWN cells by next year... and 2 TWH by 2030.
Yes.
Because nobody in the world has enough batteries to meet all the demand for EVs.
Tesla is now producing their own.
AND buying from Panasonic.
AND buying from LG.
Because they have massive demand for cars (and storage too, which is growing massively as well)
So they'll take all the batteries they can get from all sources.
It's weird you somehow think that's "bad"
Meanwhile here's Toyota basically refunding you most of the price of the vehicle in fuel credits just to take the thing off their hands, and they barely make any in the first place.
The newer Tesla superchargers add 180 miles of range in 15 minutes.
And the LR Model 3 already offers 353 miles of EPA range.
Even without a garage, if you've got a driveway and a regular electrical outlet you can still add 30-40 miles a day in range just plugging in at home half the day you're not out.
I'd agree a BEV is probably not the best option if, say, your only parking situation is on-street parking below your 5th floor NYC walkup or something.... but the vast majority of the US lives in detached single-family homes.
Sure- as long as you only ever drive locally in the relatively small % of the country that has hydrogen fuel stations, and are ok with the car either being worthless (if bought) or returning after the lease.
It's a pretty niche situation- far more than the ones that an EV won't work for- but in that niche it's a great deal.
The base price of the LR AWD Model 3 is is $46,990.
The SR+ version is $37,990 (with "only" 263 miles of range)
Not sure what you consider "luxurious"
I find it superior to the Lexus it replaced in most ways though- but I suppose this will be subjective- some folks think an interior is terrible unless it's got 300 buttons or something, others thing it's terrible without an analog clock for some reason... YMMV here.
Since hydrogen production still requires a wasteful ton of fossil fuels, OF COURSE Saudi Arabia thinks it's a great idea.
Plus the more FUD they spread about "alternatives" to BEVs the slower they make that transition and the more oil they can sell.
Doesn't mean the facts or science support them on it- just the personal economics for them.
The prius isn't an EV though- it's a hybrid. Not a bad idea 20 years ago- But worst of both worlds in 2021.
Their failure to move on pure EVs is why they keep spreading FUD about them- they know they wasted a decade they should've been developing and building them and they're way behind the competition now so they want to slow everyone else down.
if Lexus had sold a good EV 5 years ago I'd own it. Instead they're still doing teasers and concepts 10 years after Tesla has been in mass production of cars, and dragging their feet as much as possible.
Uh... what?
Adding a 240v plug isn't remotely that much.
Couple hundred bucks unless you need it run a significant distance from your circuit breaker panel.
(under 100 bucks if you DIY)
Again you're misunderstanding how to use a supercharger.
There's no reason to sit there for 45 minutes unless you need to be there ANYWAY (like you're shopping nearby, or eating a sit down meal)
Stopping for 10-15 minutes, twice, will add more charge than 1 45 minute stop will.
I've never had to wait to use one on the rare road trip I've needed it- but in fairness I'm on the east coast.
You're the one who falsely claimed they were not producing batteries dude- don't get whiny when you're calling out on it.
Especially since it's not the first time you've been caught doing it.
Nor is it "a few" it's a pilot line in California that is ramping to 10 gwh of cells.
AND they're also building production lines at the Berlin factory opening later this year, the Austin factory opening later this year, and adding their own lines in Nevada.... with plans to be producing 100 Gwh of THEIR OWN cells by next year... and 2 TWH by 2030.
Yes.
Because nobody in the world has enough batteries to meet all the demand for EVs.
Tesla is now producing their own.
AND buying from Panasonic.
AND buying from LG.
Because they have massive demand for cars (and storage too, which is growing massively as well)
So they'll take all the batteries they can get from all sources.
It's weird you somehow think that's "bad"
Meanwhile here's Toyota basically refunding you most of the price of the vehicle in fuel credits just to take the thing off their hands, and they barely make any in the first place.
Interesting analogy is that Japanese cars are overall rated the most reliable, affordable, and even most fuel efficient cars for a long time but not everyone buys Japanese cars because of different preferences and still buys German and American brands. Different options gives people choices regardless how good or bad one selectively choose to concentrate on.
We aren't here on SlickDeals to convince one side or the other. SlickDeals is mainly for people to get the best price/deals for what they WANT to buy.
This deal is for the FCEV Mirai. If you want it, get it. If you don't want it and think the Mirai is a humanitarian disaster than just run away from it. No one is forcing anyone either way.
Interesting analogy is that Japanese cars are overall rated the most reliable, affordable, and even most fuel efficient cars for a long time but not everyone buys Japanese cars because of difference preferences and still buys German and American brands for their own preferences. Different options gives people choices regardless how good or bad one selectively choose to concentrate on.
We aren't here on SlickDeals to convince one side or the other. SlickDeals is mainly for people to get the best price/deals for what they WANT to buy.
This deal is for the FCEV Mirai. If you want it, get it. If you don't want it and think the Mirai is a humanitarian disaster than just run away from it. No one is forcing anyone either way.
I don't disagree with any of that-- my posts have primarily had 2 purposes (and sets of content)
1- clarifying for folks who think FCVs have any real future in passenger vehicles that they really don't- and explaining why with facts and sources.
That's highly relevant to the deal for folks planning to buy, rather than lease, as they'll end up with a car nobody really wants and outside of a couple tiny geographic areas can't really use.
That might still be fine if they plan to keep the car and stay in such an area for a good while,, and have no need to use it outside those few areas....
But they should be aware any dreams of hydrogen fueling expanding significantly, or there being any real aftermarket for used FCVs outside a few small areas, are just that- dreams, not reality.
Other car makers have already given up on making FCVs a thing- Toyota will likely be the last holdout but it's a dead-end tech at this point compared to BEVs.
And 2- Debunking some anti-EV misinformation others had previously posted (as they tend to do in all the EV threads no matter how often they're called out and corrected on them- and apparently they now hit ALL the alternative fuel threads to aim for misinforming a larger audience).... (this did end up being marginally more topical than usual at least as a couple of posters also asked questions relevant to comparing FCVs to EVs as a result of that discussion, and certainly comparing this deal to alternatives adds some value to the discussion if we can stick to actual facts instead of misinformation and FUD)
It's good to hear supercharging is faster now. Short supercharging bursts could work but that means more trips to charge up. I'm not sure why the supercharging stations near me are always packed. It seems the Teslas there are sitting there a lot longer, or perhaps there's just a lot more Teslas now. For me, the Mirai is a commuter car within my socal metro area. With its range, I can actually drive all the way to San Diego or Santa Barbara and back, which is where I spend 95% of my time anyway. Anything beyond that and I'll take my Nissan Murano SUV. If there's a hydrogen outage, I take the SUV.
As others have said, this is a nice car and only works for people who accept its limitations.
Resell value? Eh, if I can get 3 yrs out of it, I'm good. 6 years and the value goes to zero, I'm good too. Maybe trade it into Toyota for an all EV Supra in 6 years. I should have my own garage by then.
Truckers are only allowed to work 11 hours out of 14 once they begin a shift, and have to take a break of 10 consecutive hours once they've worked that 14. That is, they have to take 3 hours worth of breaks at any point during the day. That's federal law. They're also limited to 60 hours total in one week, or 70 in an 8 day period. Meaning an average of <9 hours of drive time per day is legally allowed.
On long distance trips, they use team drivers.1 drives while 1 rests. Totally legal and truck keeps humming, sot stopping for 10 hours to charge
Also there could be multiple drivers of 1 truck. For instance driver 1 runs NY to DC and back in 11 hours or less. Driver 2 then runs the truck from NY to Boston and back in 11 hours or less. See truck keeps moving without 10 hours of downtime.
See how that works.
Also, if you were to supercharge these batteries everyday multiple times a day, you would surely degrade the capacity and longevity. Even Knightshade know that
So still a lot of potential here.
"only 2% of cars in the world are EVs. That's a tiny sliver, yet automakers and governments are acting like the EV formula has been cracked. The problems Wimmer brought up before the Senate, refueling infrastructure (power grids), battery availability, consumer acceptance, and affordability are huge constraints which must be figured out"
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Ok, some internet stranger makes a post and that is gospel? Hereby debunked.
If you had a brain and weren't fluffing Tesla, you would know that his debunking is debunked.
There are many ways to drive a truck more than 11 hours a day. team drivers is 1 way. look up the rest.
They've had driveable test FCVs since at least 1996.
They sold some FC vehicles as early as 2002 (Highlander based FCHVs)
It's 2021 now.
Tesla in 2020 sold about as many BEVs in one week as Toyota has sold Mirais in the entire history of the model back to 2014
It's a failed technology nobody wants and has been surpassed by pure electric vehicles, but Toyota keeps throwing good money after bad.
Recharge time and range are the problems that effect all BEVs, but will be amplified when they use it for trucking. You can't ignore those issues as much as you wish and glossing over them doesn't change the facts.
Facts, try them sometime
How'd those turn out?
How'd that turn out?
One of which is actually going to... themselves.
https://www.ccjdigital.
Don't worry though, by end of year they're gonna deliver.... 8...more...total.
3 of which are... also being "sold" to... Toyota logistics.
So they HOPE after almost 3 years of development to deliver 10 working trucks.
4 of them bought by...themselves.
It's almost like it's a crap product nobody actually wants or something!
Meanwhile Teslas semi goes into production potentially as early as next month... which means likely by end of the year they'll have hundreds on the road compared to Toyotas aspirational goal of TEN whole trucks produced... from tech they've been working on since 20 years before Teslas first mass produced vehicle.
EDIT- My bad- apparently 10 total trucks is the total for the entire program that Toyota and Kenworth announced-
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All of them to only be used at port of Los Angeles. (makes sense, not like they can go all that far having no place to refuel if they leave a fairly small area).
And they're only managing to find customers for those due to California grant money to reduce emissions at ports and such.
Hilariously that last link has Kenworth specifically mentioning they're not married to FC and expect BEVs to be part of the future of trucking.
Hey, look... it mentions Nikola!
To toyotas credit I suppose they DO have a truck that actually moves under its own power at least, even if they've apparently only sold ONE, ever, to an actual customer so far.
There is nothing wrong with doing research and bringing a proven reliable product to market. I think Toyota has proved that in their reputation over the years. Tesla however, has been know to rush things to market with half baked software and hardware. Heck they have to constantly update the vehicle to fix bugs, and that leads to wearing out the MMC chip. I think Telsa builds the model Y under a tent
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You've already been corrected on this not being true- yet keep repeating it.
The charger {B]comes with the car[/B] BTW, it's not another $500 unless you want to buy a second one.... which would be weird since you apparently don't have a place to plug the first one in.
Also it's not "thousands of dollars" to install a 240v plug, even in California.
(nor do you even NEED one unless you want faster charging... a regular 110v wall plug will still add 3-4 miles of range an hour-- which is enough for the 30 miles or less a day the average american drives).
https://electricians.pr
$370.83 fixed fee to install 240v outlet (Range: $258.33 - $483.33)
It took almost 20 years for Toyota to manage to produce a new ICE Supra. And even then they mostly just paid BMW to do it for them, and it's kind of a crap car.
You're gonna be waiting a LONG time for an EV supra given how Toyota keeps kicking and screaming against going to BEVs at all
Yeah- that's exactly the niche for this deal if you happen to live in the couple small pockets where there's fuel stations, and especially if it's a second car anyway for when there's fuel shortages or for taking longer trips.
I know the 120v charging kit comes with teslas. That's super slow charging and, to me, doesn't make sense. I'm talking about the 240v charging.
Maybe residential 240v circuit doesn't cost as much but I worked with my electrician to put in a few commercial 240v circuits in various locations and they're always over 1k when done with other drops.
In any case, chillax.
No, you just, oddly, keep posting things that are factually untrue and keep doing so even after being corrected.
For example:
Like you've been told multiple times already.
As, again, you were told several times but kept insisting it cost "thousands" anyway.
Ok, some internet stranger makes a post and that is gospel? Hereby debunked.
That's how debunking works.
You then posted a wall of text replying to him where you provided...
None of those things. Just handwaved them all away without anything to support your argument for doing so.
Do you have any actual argument to present or just more personal attacks?
Seems all you ever have, besides easily debunked misinformation.
Since they've refused to put serious effort into BEVs they're stuck practically giving away these hydrogen cars nobody wants otherwise.
Google "compliance car" if this is new information to you.
Actually, here, since we know YOU won't look anything up yourself-
https://insideevs.com/news/336281...tric-cars/
https://insideevs.com/news/336281...tric-cars/
So Toyota gets $45,000 in california credits- plus federal credit- PLUS incentives from Japan, to keep spitting some of these out every year.... so they have to offer customer incentives so good someone actually TAKES them from them.
but the BEST thing in that story?
The CHIEF ENGINEER OF THE CAR admitting hydrogen is a stupid fuel.
Toyota's not "testing new technology" - they're continuing to spit out a failed one for credit purposes.
They've been MAKING FCVs since 2002.
They still can't figure out how to change physics to make them anything other than inferior choice to a BEV though.
As mentioned- most other car companies that were ALSO researching this (including Mercedes which was doing it even longer) have finally given up on the technology because it's measurably inferior.
I provided a link from Volkswagen given detailed science on why this is so.
Again- most truck drivers average around 605 to 650 miles per working day.
The Tesla semi is going to offer 500 miles of range on a single charge.
We already know current CAR superchargers can add 180 miles of range in 15 minutes.
There's no reason to expect the semi chargers will be anything other than as fast, or likely faster.
Meaning a SINGLE 15 minute stop per day gets you all the range you need for the day.
And since they have a MANDATORY 30 minute driving break each day, that's no problem at all is it?
You appear to think a LOT of things that aren't based in fact
A sprung structure is not a tent for example.
I've always enjoyed discussions but this is getting a bit too negative. Again, relax bro. It's just an internet deals forum.
Hired an electrician to install and it cost $350. (We did get it permitted with the city.)
We also got a tax credit of 30% of the cost to buy and install. This is still available if you buy the charging station by the end of 2021: https://clippercreek.co
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