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'Consciousness Beyond the Body' presents the latest theories, research, and applications of out-of-body experiences (OBEs) and other consciousness states that transcend the limitations of one's physical body space. It features original chapters from leading international researchers, educators, and practitioners who specialise in OBEs. As a modern compilation on the topic, the book aims to meld contemporary scientific evidence with the latest and most compelling practical applications of OBEs.

Contributors: Nelson Abreu, Luis Minero, Ed Kellogg, Ryan Hurd, Robert Peterson, Preston Dennett, Graham Nicholls, Jurgen Ziewe, Clare Johnson, Robert Waggoner, Alexander De Foe, Natasha Tassell-Matamua, and Anthony Peake.

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For free why not. Thx op, tu and repped.Smilie
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"Evidence"
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Thanks! I skimmed the book but the author gives laughable logical fallacies. The author argues that a researcher named Aspell determines a way to evoke an out of body experience (OBE) and Aspell determines it's not "real". Bullcocky. Aspell never claims it's not "real" just that we know how to create an OBE through stimulation. After this I can't say I'd recommend this book.

"Aspell then goes on to state that when the temporo-parietal junction is stimulated in the same way the patient will have an OBE (this is consistent with Olaf Blanke's experiments). The problem with this form of reasoning is that concluding that a phenomenon is not 'real' because it is possible to stimulate the brain in order to trigger a certain experience, is not correct. If we take Aspell's own example of the patient thinking of her grandmother, and apply the same logic, we would have to conclude that her grandmother does not exist, or that the experience of a grandmother was illusory in general. When one breaks the argument down in this manner I'm certain it is clear why it is insufficient to conclude anything substantive about the objectivity of OBEs, using this reasoning."
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I prefer on the body experiences.
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Read your Bible for a better way to explain this, but yes- evidence exists. Evidence does not mean incontrovertible proof nor does evidence have to convince you to be evidence. It might not be convincing, but there is evidence that is explained well by consciousness. For starters, the mind and the brain are not the same- if you were to have an accident and lose a small part of your brain, you wouldn't say that you're a different person. Why not? Because you recognize that 'you' are not 'your brain' and that you are not solely your brain.
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Turn on, tune, drop out, . . man. Wink
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Thanks OP... REDEEMED!!!
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Thanks! I skimmed the book but the author gives laughable logical fallacies. The author argues that a researcher named Aspell determines a way to evoke an out of body experience (OBE) and Aspell determines it's not "real". Bullcocky. Aspell never claims it's not "real" just that we know how to create an OBE through stimulation. After this I can't say I'd recommend this book.

"Aspell then goes on to state that when the temporo-parietal junction is stimulated in the same way the patient will have an OBE (this is consistent with Olaf Blanke's experiments). The problem with this form of reasoning is that concluding that a phenomenon is not 'real' because it is possible to stimulate the brain in order to trigger a certain experience, is not correct. If we take Aspell's own example of the patient thinking of her grandmother, and apply the same logic, we would have to conclude that her grandmother does not exist, or that the experience of a grandmother was illusory in general. When one breaks the argument down in this manner I'm certain it is clear why it is insufficient to conclude anything substantive about the objectivity of OBEs, using this reasoning."
Interesting. I have not actually gotten around to reading this yet. However, there are a number of authors who contributed to this work who I have read before and found those authors to be interesting and, hence, posted this deal.

The issue that the editor may be discussing might be whether or not OBE's can provide veridical information, and he may be using the word "real" in that sense. That is to say, that simply because we can stimulate the brain into causing an individual to have an OBE, that does not necessarily mean the experience occurs exclusively within the brain. For instance, one may look to the OBEs of near death experiencers who were able to accurately see things or hear things happening at a great distance which they could not have experienced without having left their body. One specific case is the "dentures man" case. Bruce Greyson also recounts a case in which a patient of his saw a spaghetti stain on his tie which she could not have seen from her hospital bed. There are many others like this.
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