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NETGEAR – Nighthawk RAXE450 AXE10000 Tri-Band Wi-Fi 6E Router $449.99 (Costco)

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Costco has a custom model (RAXE450 vs the more common RAXE500) of Wifi 6E router (Seems the main difference is a slight difference in top bandwidth, but probably worth the $449.99 vs $599.99

https://www.costco.com/netgear-%E...49967.html

The two different spec sheets shows the main difference seems to be a slight difference in total/maximum wireless speed of 9.55Gbps vs 10.8Gbps
https://www.netgear.com/media/RAX...120479.pdf
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https://www.netgear.com/images/da...AXE450.pdf


There is also another option on costco right now - the Linksys Hydra Pro 6E Tri-band Mesh WiFi AXE6600 Router for $389.99! (Normally $499.99) https://www.costco.com/linksys-hy...72261.html
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Costco has a custom model (RAXE450 vs the more common RAXE500) of Wifi 6E router (Seems the main difference is a slight difference in top bandwidth, but probably worth the $449.99 vs $599.99

https://www.costco.com/netgear-%E...49967.html

The two different spec sheets shows the main difference seems to be a slight difference in total/maximum wireless speed of 9.55Gbps vs 10.8Gbps
https://www.netgear.com/media/RAX...120479.pdf
vs
https://www.netgear.com/images/da...AXE450.pdf


There is also another option on costco right now - the Linksys Hydra Pro 6E Tri-band Mesh WiFi AXE6600 Router for $389.99! (Normally $499.99) https://www.costco.com/linksys-hy...72261.html

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May 05, 2021 12:42 PM
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kronoxMay 05, 2021 12:42 PM
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I was curious about the price difference, found a review about the linksys , for the lazy, basically states that besides 6Ghz wifi the linksys didn't add any bells or whistles to justify its high price. Asus and Netgear added few extras that makes them a better option.
review link:
https://dongknows.com/linksys-mr7...er-review/
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May 05, 2021 12:44 PM
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mrdizleMay 05, 2021 12:44 PM
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Which of the two routers is better?
May 05, 2021 12:53 PM
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Jsz0301May 05, 2021 12:53 PM
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Quote from kronox :
I was curious about the price difference, found a review about the linksys , for the lazy, basically states that besides 6Ghz wifi the linksys didn't add any bells or whistles here is the review:
https://dongknows.com/linksys-mr7...er-review/ [dongknows.com]
"6E" will remain niche for the next few years. Primary uses will be wireless backhaul and high performance "gaming" add in cards (currently appearing on high end z590 motherboards and future Tigerlake-H laptops as a selling point).

A lot of IoT devices will end up on 80mhz 5ghz Wifi6 due to backwards compatibility with older AC routers. 160mhz 5ghz (AC and AX) isn't practical due to DFS. This is why PS5 and M1 MacBook's don't bother.

In reality, most "AX" benefits come from lower SNR between client and router. Inflated box numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, especially since 160mhz wide channels will decrease range over the tradtional 80mhz setting.

Wave 2 AC to AX isn't as big as people believe, especially if the radio config is weaker when "upgrading" from something like a 3x3 AC design. In a lot of cases, people seem to be "downgrading" when it comes to AC compatibility with 2x2 AX router designs, granted AX clients do have benefit.

3x3 5G AX is relatively new to the market. It's definitely the baseline for most people looking to upgrade without degradation on multiple types of clients.
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May 05, 2021 01:13 PM
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ktran7May 05, 2021 01:13 PM
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I would advise to stay away from Costco custom netgear products. I bought 2 RAX75 (AX5700) for S200 each in January 2021. It will disconnect about once per day. Yes, I did the usual troubleshooting. Testing various methods but none seem to work. Firmware will never get updated. I will try to returned the product whenever.

Had and love my old netgear R7000 and X4S R7800 though. Those I bought from neweggs and not the custom Costco brand
May 05, 2021 01:57 PM
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StargateAtlantisMay 05, 2021 01:57 PM
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You will need 6E compatible devices to connect to the 6GHz. There aren't that many today, so essentially you will pay a lot for something that's going to be mainstream by next year end or may even be obsolete due to latest WiFi standard at that time.
May 05, 2021 02:04 PM
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Jsz0301May 05, 2021 02:04 PM
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Quote from ktran7 :
I would advise to stay away from Costco custom netgear products. I bought 2 RAX75 (AX5700) for S200 each in January 2021. It will disconnect about once per day. Yes, I did the usual troubleshooting. Testing various methods but none seem to work. Firmware will never get updated. I will try to returned the product whenever.

Had and love my old netgear R7000 and X4S R7800 though. Those I bought from neweggs and not the custom Costco brand

These costco models are the same as the retail models but have disabled QAM settings that don't make much real world differences. The likelihood is that both types of routers have the same issues regardless of exclusivity. Updates should be on the same schedule.

Quote from StargateAtlantis :
You will need 6E compatible devices to connect to the 6GHz. There aren't that many today, so essentially you will pay a lot for something that's going to be mainstream by next year end or may even be obsolete due to latest WiFi standard at that time.
Like I mentioned above, 6E is valid for wireless backhaul, but will be super niche on client end, even a year or two down the line.

Devices will stick to the 80mhz 5ghz formula for mainstream compatibility unless they can sell them super cheap, which is unlikely seeing initial pricing.
May 05, 2021 05:43 PM
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enzoshadowMay 05, 2021 05:43 PM
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Just about every Wifi 6 router deals in the past years has bunch of "wait for 6E!!!" folks. Well, it's out now and super expensive and very niche. Are they gonna "wait for 7" now?
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May 05, 2021 06:44 PM
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QuestorJonesMay 05, 2021 06:44 PM
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Quote from enzoshadow :
Just about every Wifi 6 router deals in the past years has bunch of "wait for 6E!!!" folks. Well, it's out now and super expensive and very niche. Are they gonna "wait for 7" now?

Personally, I think Wifi X will be worth waiting for…. due out by January 2075 (though there are rumors that it might slip out a few months).
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May 05, 2021 07:51 PM
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anonymous2929239May 05, 2021 07:51 PM
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Is this better than my current nighthawk X6S router by much? further range?
May 05, 2021 08:09 PM
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FuschiaScene411May 05, 2021 08:09 PM
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Quote from StargateAtlantis :
You will need 6E compatible devices to connect to the 6GHz. There aren't that many today, so essentially you will pay a lot for something that's going to be mainstream by next year end or may even be obsolete due to latest WiFi standard at that time.
Except that you can buy an AX210 for like $20-25 and have a WiFi 6E compatible device. Not sure why the entire thread is acting as though this is some impossible feat. The iPhone 12S/13 is also going to have 6E, so yeah.

Also, don't forget that you won't have an issue with WiFi pollution due to being the only person on 6Ghz.
May 05, 2021 09:06 PM
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Marty1781May 05, 2021 09:06 PM
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Quote from FuschiaScene411 :
Except that you can buy an AX210 for like $20-25 and have a WiFi 6E compatible device. Not sure why the entire thread is acting as though this is some impossible feat. The iPhone 12S/13 is also going to have 6E, so yeah.

Also, don't forget that you won't have an issue with WiFi pollution due to being the only person on 6Ghz.
I don't see the benefit of paying a premium for a 6E router and then having only one device being able to utilize that particular band. I would much rather have a traditional tri-band router (2.4ghz + 5ghz wifi6 + 5gh wifi6) so that I can spread my multiple devices out more evenly over all three bands vs trying to cram all but one device on two bands.
May 05, 2021 09:42 PM
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anonymous2929239May 05, 2021 09:42 PM
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Just ordered it

Going to replace my nighthawk x6s with this. Hope I'm not missing out on not buying full raxe500 version and saving some money. I want this to last another 10 years.
May 06, 2021 01:26 AM
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Jsz0301May 06, 2021 01:26 AM
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Quote from FuschiaScene411 :
Except that you can buy an AX210 for like $20-25 and have a WiFi 6E compatible device. Not sure why the entire thread is acting as though this is some impossible feat. The iPhone 12S/13 is also going to have 6E, so yeah.

Also, don't forget that you won't have an issue with WiFi pollution due to being the only person on 6Ghz.
The intel cards are really a special case... They're cheap enough for retail "add in" but they only really fit into the PC/Windows space to promote newer ecosystems. Tell this to an IoT designer who is going to go with the cheapest passable parts they can find. Its more logical to strike pricing deals on last gen 2-3 year old hardware that they can buy in bulk. No one is really using 5G AX in IoT or TV's for this reasoning.

We currently have Intel 200/201 (210 6E), Apple M1 (80mhz), PS5 (80mhz), and some Samsung phones, but a bulk majority of clients end up spread around 2.4G N and 5G AC. You'll start seeing 5G AX pop up here and there by next year for other devices, but it will take a while for true saturation... and that's only 5G AX. Backwards compatibility and cost are key points.

Are you really willing to buy a router for $450+ USD to have a dedicated "gaming" channel? I mean I think 6E will be awesome for future mesh routers using wireless backhaul, but were quite a bit a way from mainstream adaptation of the 6ghz band. Pricing is just way too high due to requirements and new technology "tax".

I was actually able to test a GT-AXE11000. It's really just a dual band router plus my 1 AX210 desktop on 6E for testing purposes. Big Grin Money is better spent on things like ASUS AX86U (4x4 5G) or AX68U (3x3 5G) at full retail price IMO.


To clarify. I think 6E is def cool just not practical for real world client use cases atm.
Last edited by Jsz0301 May 5, 2021 at 06:29 PM.
May 06, 2021 01:40 AM
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DaVinciBMay 06, 2021 01:40 AM
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Quote from SorrowNightshade :
Just ordered it

Going to replace my nighthawk x6s with this. Hope I'm not missing out on not buying full raxe500 version and saving some money. I want this to last another 10 years.
Honestly you will save a lot more if not buy
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May 06, 2021 05:16 AM
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anonymous2929239May 06, 2021 05:16 AM
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Is there QoS on it? I have 3 room mates and we need the qos to help prevent people from spiking eachother
My current router handles it fine. But would make sure next one has it too

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