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Sony Alpha a7R II Mirrorless Digital Camera $1198 at B&H Photo
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I've been looking for a good deal on a decent mirrorless camera but missed the recent Nikon sale. Many people have recommended the Sony A7 series of cameras and this version from around 2015 seems to have just gone on sale for about $600 cheaper than usual.
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Then you have to add a lens. Outside of that kit 24-50mm F3.5-6.3, the native Z lenses are pretty pricey. Sony has the advantage of 3rd party native lenses.
I could be wrong, but I think most people are looking at pictures on an electronic device. Even Costco has closed their in store print shops.
Then you have to add a lens. Outside of that kit 24-50mm F3.5-6.3, the native Z lenses are pretty pricey. Sony has the advantage of 3rd party native lenses.
The point of this discussion is comparative value as both cameras are about the same price in a very short time span on sale. You can't just pretend buying the Z6 wasn't option if you are going to pretend this one was. Can you even logic bro?
Leave lenses out of it. people buying the Z6/Z5 last week could have also bought an FTZ for $99 and have the choice of 1000+ lenses spanning 5 decades with F-mount glass.
Stop trying to waste peoples money out of pride - this isn't the way forward if starting fresh.
Edit: It is super disingenuous to be fine arguing against Z5 ($999) that isn't on sale anymore with the A7RII for $1200, but have an issue with comparing it to a Z6 ($1400) that also isn't on sale anymore.
I could be wrong, but I think most people are looking at pictures on an electronic device. Even Costco has closed their in store print shops.
Do I have that right? Do you see the issues with that or is it all just flying right over your head?
The point of this discussion is comparative value as both cameras are about the same price in a very short time span on sale. You can't just pretend buying the Z6 wasn't option if you are going to pretend this one was. Can you even logic bro?
Leave lenses out of it. people buying the Z6/Z5 last week could have also bought an FTZ for $99 and have the choice of 1000+ lenses spanning 5 decades with F-mount glass.
Stop trying to waste peoples money out of pride - this isn't the way forward if starting fresh.
In fact you are much better off starting a system with this camera, because lenses are the most important part of a Camera system.
Do I have that right? Do you see the issues with that or is it all just flying right over your head?
For someone who claims to believes that "the Photographer is 90% of photo", it seems like you rely on the specs and DXO scores quite a bit. You need a tripod, you need 10FPS, you need a grip extension, you need eye tracking, you need the best high ISO, you need more than 13.9 EVs of dynamic range...etc.
In fact you are much better off starting a system with this camera, because lenses are the most important part of a Camera system.
The main advantage of sony's 3rd party lens ecosystem over nikon/canon is the size. You can get smaller lenses that are designed for mirrorless mounts instead of adapting them. Tamron has an excellent set of small lenses that actually offer size and weight advantages over DSLR counterparts. If you said you wanted a lightweight and compact system on the cheap, I'd agree sony is a great choice.
Also, in theory sony gives their AF protocol to other manufacturers but in reality, sony native AF is still better than most other manufacturers (especially sigma). Not true of every lens and manufacturer, but most. I've yet to see any Tamron/Sigma/Samyang that can compete with the Zeiss 55mm or Sony 85mm.
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For someone who claims to believes that "the Photographer is 90% of photo", it seems like you rely on the specs and DXO scores quite a bit. You need a tripod, you need 10FPS, you need a grip extension, you need eye tracking, you need the best high ISO, you need more than 13.9 EVs of dynamic range...etc.
I think most people who buy alphaR series cameras are doing it because they want to print or because they want to be able to crop and/or recompose photos. Those are the two advantages of high resolution beyond ~24mp.
That help you?
In fact you are much better off starting a system with this camera, because lenses are the most important part of a Camera system.
That said, you're just flipping your position to try and stay relevant in this.
So is cost important? If it is. Nikon F-mount and the 5 decades of lenses from 1st and 3rd party will be cheap with vastly more selection than Sony's system.
Or is cost not important, but some how miraculously, one should go cheap on the camera body so they can spend more on lens?
You're turning your own arguments into whats important into hypocrisy, that means your stance isn't a good one.
You think the pros with a D5 and D6 are switching to Z mount right now?, Newsflash, they aren't.
Anyways, my point in regards to the FTZ was they can keep costs down and selection up by buying F-mount lenses, but sooner or later the Z mount lenses will drop in price (The Viltrox 85mm F1.4 has auto focus and is only $399) so only a matter of time.... BTW, Z-mount glass so far is optically superior to anything from Canon, Sony right now.
Why offer an old body to use medium selection of lenses when you can tell people to get a new body that uses the best lenses available, but can also use the largest collection of lenses from any system as well?
I also noticed that you did not include a memory card in your price, which is a big cost for the Z6.
That said, you're just flipping your position to try and stay relevant in this.
So is cost important? If it is. Nikon F-mount and the 5 decades of lenses from 1st and 3rd party will be cheap with vastly more selection than Sony's system.
Or is cost not important, but some how miraculously, one should go cheap on the camera body so they can spend more on lens?
You're turning your own arguments into whats important into hypocrisy, that means your stance isn't a good one.
You think the pros with a D5 and D6 are switching to Z mount right now?, Newsflash, they aren't.
Anyways, my point in regards to the FTZ was they can keep costs down and selection up by buying F-mount lenses, but sooner or later the Z mount lenses will drop in price (The Viltrox 85mm F1.4 has auto focus and is only $399) so only a matter of time.... BTW, Z-mount glass so far is optically superior to anything from Canon, Sony right now.
Why offer an old body to use medium selection of lenses when you can tell people to get a new body that uses the best lenses available, but can also use the largest collection of lenses from any system as well?
If you think adapting lenses is so great, why did you buy a Viltrox 85mm lens? Matt Granger "That Nikon guy" says that the Viltrox isnt a great value, and several people reported that the lens died pretty quickly.
Does GreenPanther agree with you that Z-mount lenses are superior to anything from Canon?
If you think adapting lenses is so great, why did you buy a Viltrox 85mm lens? Matt Granger "That Nikon guy" says that the Viltrox isnt a great value, and several people reported that the lens died pretty quickly.
Does GreenPanther agree with you that Z-mount lenses are superior to anything from Canon?
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Example of Z vs RF prices from BH.
Nikon 35mm F1.8 - $850
Canon 35mm F1.8 - $500
Nikon 50mm F1.8 - $600
Canon 50mm F1.8 - $200
Nikon 85mm F1.8 - $800
Canon 85mm F2 - $600
Nikon 24-70mm F4 - $1000
Canon 24-105mm F4 - $1100. This lens goes on sale all the time, and has an extra 35mm.
Nikon 24-200mm - $900
Canon 24-240mm - $900 - similar price but longer reach.
Nikon 24-70mm F2.8 - $2300
Canon 24-70mm F2.8 - $2300
Nikon 14-24mm F2.8 $2400
Canon 15-35mm F2.8 - $2300