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Before making the choice about whether to go with various Ram + SSD option, I strongly suggest you watch the review video I've posted in the first post of this thread.
The 16GB Kit comes with two Single Rank 8GB modules (Ram chips only one side of the stick) which reduces the performance by certain degree as Ryzen Processors benefits from dual rank memory.
My recommendation will be buying the barebone and then get your SSD and Ram. They're charging extra $150 for 16GB Ram + 256GB SSD configuration which you can buy yourself. 256GB NVMe SSD can be found as cheap as $30-$40 if you look for the deals and 16GB kit will cost $60-$70.
In my opinion this is a stupid product. it has all of that CPU power but no way to install a graphics processor. What would you need that CPU power for?
Guessing due to demand?
Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
Guessing due to demand?
Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
Check the first post in yhis thread, having the detailed YouTube review link which includes the thermals as well. It handles thermals pretty well and the cpu can consume up to 55W without any kind of throttling, with the cost of a bit higher dan noise. In normal usage, it runs pretty cool. One of the main reasons for this chassis being a bit bigger is the inclusion of a bigger cooling solution with bigger heatsink and fan, compared to what you see in normal NUC sized mini PCs with U series CPU.
I just thrown some points that some people have different opinion. Easy to update firmware or drivers such as lenovo or other brands.
You do not address their concerns , just fed up you objectiveness. This is the reason I reply your post.
Example for me: easy is real easy no email or do this/that.
Support must be good for issue not just how their response to solve issue. An example,gmk email support was responsive,but "try this" or " send the link to download this file" 😀. Returning or rma was a hassle to. Luck shipped by amazon, i just return gmk nuc and fully refunded within 1 hour👌
For you is not important. For me or others is important.
Please read my experience with gmk nuc😆,
That is. There is no more or less.
Please show me where I did not address their concern? The poster stated there is no support. I stated there is support and they are very responsive. The poster wondered if the unit needed to be shipped to HK for repair/replacement. I clarified that there is a US address to to send it to.
Good luck trying to return to Amazon if the failure occurred after the return period. Even with Lenovo, you would still have to deal with RMA and shipping process. The only benefit to the bigger names, as you have stated, is their online support pages have drivers and BIOS updates. You also end up paying a lot more for those benefits though.
I have already addressed that concern as well. Most of the components can be updated (other than BIOS) via the universal drivers provided by the component manufacturers. You just need to go directly to their sites. Again, this is in no way a high end PC. You don't need to be constantly updating the drivers or firmware unless it addresses a specific issue you are having, a security issue or adds a feature you want/need. It's not something that needs regular upkeep like Windows or buggy applications.
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Other thought. How the system handling the heat in compact size?
Having some compact hp machinese. It utilized big giant heatsink… how about their doing to handle the heat.
Are you referring to HP laptops? Those need heat pipes and big fans because they are in very tight, compact laptop cases. Even with the heat pipes and fans, HP laptops tend to overheat. The company I work for used to use HP laptops and the fans were always on full power after being on for a few minutes. Same with my personal HP laptop I had. I also have two Intel NUC i7s and the fans throttle to full speed almost as quick. Though they do slow down after a while whereas the HPs go to full throttle and just stay there until you shut down the laptop.
The Minisforum HM50 I have is in a well ventilated case so I don't have any overheating issues. It is in a closet with all my other business class networking gear along with my NAS boxes with 32 spinning HDDs running 24/7 and several pro audio amps. The PC is running 24/7 performing NVR duties and has never reached elevated CPU temps or full fan speed. I also have a fanless Minisforum unit on the back of my plasma TV serving as an HTPC. It has never had overheating issues even after many hours of streaming movie viewing either.
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They do not embedded wins license into the machine like regular known brands😄
Why? Less cost
Of course it's due to cost. Why would they give away a license to you for free when they have to pay for it? I don't know of any other manufacturer that sells non-complete systems with an embedded license in them. Please tell us which regular known brands do this. All the barebones system is is a system board, CPU and case. If you went to the store and bought those three things do you expect to get a copy of an OS with it? For the complete Minisforum systems, the license is there, just like the "regular known brands" you seem to be pushing.
Guessing due to demand?
Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
The target market for this system are just people still fooled to think that a faster CPU means their system will be faster. That's rarely the case, and this system would make far more sense if it had a slower CPU and added a mid-range GPU. It would serve a far wider group of people at the same price point. At this price it onlly makes sense for... well nobody that isn't fooled by CPU hype.
The target market for this system are just people still fooled to think that a faster CPU means their system will be faster. That's rarely the case, and this system would make far more sense if it had a slower CPU and added a mid-range GPU. It would serve a far wider group of people at the same price point. At this price it onlly makes sense for... well nobody that isn't fooled by CPU hype.
The target market for this PC is the people who want a SFF PC that can help them be productive with actual work. Despite what you like to think, there are people in the real world that have uses for PCs like this and have no use for more GPU power than these already offer. If these didn't sell well enough, they would no longer exist.
Not everyone has a need for high or even mid level GPUs. Informed people on a budget will buy the product that best fits their needs/wants within their budgets and not be fooled by GPU hype.
Anyone know if this will be able to play Roblox and record at the same time? My kids want to make youtube videos and I need a computer that can do this. My current one records but it stutters during the playback of the video.
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I asked regarding Windows 10 license and got answer like below.
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Hello dear,
Sorry that barebone don't include Windows 10 license.
That's an odd response but perhaps not, meaning, indicating a license key is not included. However, their FAQ states:
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Q1. If the Windows OS is still pre-installed after I bought a barebones version?
A: Due to without RAM & SSD,HX90 barebones version couldn't pre-installed Windows OS, but we'll provide the link to download the Win10.
That's an odd response but perhaps not, meaning, indicating a license key is not included. However, their FAQ states:
FAQ only states that they provide a link to download Windows 10 installation files. Anyone can get the files from Microsoft directly. However, you will still need to activate the copy with a valid license key during or post installation. The email response is much more clear and definitive regarding the license key for barebones systems. Whether it is correct or not, someone would need to validate if they ever bought one.
FAQ only states that they provide a link to download Windows 10 installation files. Anyone can get the files from Microsoft directly. However, you will still need to activate the copy with a valid license key during or post installation. The email response is much more clear and definitive regarding the license key for barebones systems. Whether it is correct or not, someone would need to validate if they ever bought one.
I took the leap, though who knows when it'll actually arrive. Whenever that is, guess I'll find out.
Single rank means all chips on one side of the PCB. Thats mostly the case with 8 gb modules.
Advantages are lower heat , better compatibility, higher overclocking results (by oc i mean past xmp)..
Dual rank means 1 set of chips on each side of the pcb. Found in many 16gb modules but exclusively on 32gb modules since there is not enough room on one side for them to be single rank.
While it's true that single and dual rank DIMMs can generally be identified by whether or not there are memory chips on both sides of a module, what you are saying is not technically correct.
Does quad-ranked memory require chips on the top and bottom of the DIMM?
Memory ranks share the same pins (except for the rank control pins) between them and the memory controller, but there's no physical rule about how those are set up. You could have multiple ranks within the same IC (chip), you could have single-ranked memory with chips on both sides of the DIMM, or dual-ranked memory with chips on only one side.
In general, of course, the PCB layout is simplified by putting equal ICs on opposite sides of the DIMM because it makes it simple to connect them to the same pins on the edge of the PCB, which is why you usually find this setup. Memory manufacturers can then take the same layout and simply skip the step of soldering ICs on one side to create single-ranked DIMMs with half the capacity.
The capacity of the memory is also not directly related. There are 64GB dual ranked DIMMs, which means it's certainly possible for 32GB single ranked DIMMs. But the ICs required to make those are considerably more expensive, so they're mostly used in server memory.
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I regularly work on spreadsheets that max out my 2 year old PC with an i7 CPU and 32GB RAM. CPU will be pegged at 100%. It often takes several long minutes for data filtering and sorting. Does this mean my spreadsheets are other-worldly or that CPU processing power has not really improved much in the last 10 years?
I feel like it means you need to switch to a database instead of sticking with spreadsheets if you've got that much data ;-)
I wish I'd known about this form factor a bit over a year ago. It would've changed a number of decisions I made when I was building a home lab.
I built myself a mATX x570 system with a 3900x, 128GB of not so fast ram, 2gb sabrent x3 nvme, 512gb OS sata ssd... and it's massive. It's very overkill for my lab and I realize now that I'd much rather have a small device with a bit less power if it meant getting rid of this large system. I'm seriously considering getting this little box, moving the SSD's over, getting 64GB of ddr4, and the selling what's left of the old system.
I'm especially curious about the thin-min parts and building a tiny system with a 5700G. The only thing really holding me back from that as an option is that the only boards I'm seeing have 1Gb ethernet ports and this little box has 2.5Gb. 1Gb feels like it might be a bottleneck in the future.
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The 16GB Kit comes with two Single Rank 8GB modules (Ram chips only one side of the stick) which reduces the performance by certain degree as Ryzen Processors benefits from dual rank memory.
My recommendation will be buying the barebone and then get your SSD and Ram. They're charging extra $150 for 16GB Ram + 256GB SSD configuration which you can buy yourself. 256GB NVMe SSD can be found as cheap as $30-$40 if you look for the deals and 16GB kit will cost $60-$70.
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Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
You do not address their concerns , just fed up you objectiveness. This is the reason I reply your post.
Example for me: easy is real easy no email or do this/that.
Support must be good for issue not just how their response to solve issue. An example,gmk email support was responsive,but "try this" or " send the link to download this file" 😀. Returning or rma was a hassle to. Luck shipped by amazon, i just return gmk nuc and fully refunded within 1 hour👌
For you is not important. For me or others is important.
Please read my experience with gmk nuc😆,
That is. There is no more or less.
Good luck trying to return to Amazon if the failure occurred after the return period. Even with Lenovo, you would still have to deal with RMA and shipping process. The only benefit to the bigger names, as you have stated, is their online support pages have drivers and BIOS updates. You also end up paying a lot more for those benefits though.
I have already addressed that concern as well. Most of the components can be updated (other than BIOS) via the universal drivers provided by the component manufacturers. You just need to go directly to their sites. Again, this is in no way a high end PC. You don't need to be constantly updating the drivers or firmware unless it addresses a specific issue you are having, a security issue or adds a feature you want/need. It's not something that needs regular upkeep like Windows or buggy applications.
Having some compact hp machinese. It utilized big giant heatsink… how about their doing to handle the heat.
The Minisforum HM50 I have is in a well ventilated case so I don't have any overheating issues. It is in a closet with all my other business class networking gear along with my NAS boxes with 32 spinning HDDs running 24/7 and several pro audio amps. The PC is running 24/7 performing NVR duties and has never reached elevated CPU temps or full fan speed. I also have a fanless Minisforum unit on the back of my plasma TV serving as an HTPC. It has never had overheating issues even after many hours of streaming movie viewing either.
Why? Less cost
Seeing chinese brands doing mini style.
Some with intel and some with ryzen.
My only question: how do they handle the heat issue?👌. Hp and lenovo do adding big heatsink with heat pipe.😄
Not everyone has a need for high or even mid level GPUs. Informed people on a budget will buy the product that best fits their needs/wants within their budgets and not be fooled by GPU hype.
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Hello dear,
Sorry that barebone don't include Windows 10 license.
A: Due to without RAM & SSD,HX90 barebones version couldn't pre-installed Windows OS, but we'll provide the link to download the Win10.
Advantages are lower heat , better compatibility, higher overclocking results (by oc i mean past xmp)..
Dual rank means 1 set of chips on each side of the pcb. Found in many 16gb modules but exclusively on 32gb modules since there is not enough room on one side for them to be single rank.
Does quad-ranked memory require chips on the top and bottom of the DIMM?
Memory ranks share the same pins (except for the rank control pins) between them and the memory controller, but there's no physical rule about how those are set up. You could have multiple ranks within the same IC (chip), you could have single-ranked memory with chips on both sides of the DIMM, or dual-ranked memory with chips on only one side.
In general, of course, the PCB layout is simplified by putting equal ICs on opposite sides of the DIMM because it makes it simple to connect them to the same pins on the edge of the PCB, which is why you usually find this setup. Memory manufacturers can then take the same layout and simply skip the step of soldering ICs on one side to create single-ranked DIMMs with half the capacity.
The capacity of the memory is also not directly related. There are 64GB dual ranked DIMMs, which means it's certainly possible for 32GB single ranked DIMMs. But the ICs required to make those are considerably more expensive, so they're mostly used in server memory.
I built myself a mATX x570 system with a 3900x, 128GB of not so fast ram, 2gb sabrent x3 nvme, 512gb OS sata ssd... and it's massive. It's very overkill for my lab and I realize now that I'd much rather have a small device with a bit less power if it meant getting rid of this large system. I'm seriously considering getting this little box, moving the SSD's over, getting 64GB of ddr4, and the selling what's left of the old system.
I'm especially curious about the thin-min parts and building a tiny system with a 5700G. The only thing really holding me back from that as an option is that the only boards I'm seeing have 1Gb ethernet ports and this little box has 2.5Gb. 1Gb feels like it might be a bottleneck in the future.
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