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I have stage 4 kidney disease. It was a surprise...but not really. I have been stage 3 for a long time, and ignored all of the warning signs like a dummy just thinking it would go away or get better. Nope laugh out loud

I was hospitalized for 4 days recently and I guess damn near died at some point. A lot of it is a blur. I don't even really remember much about how I got there, just waking up and being really confused. It was awful.

I'm home now and feel.....fine? I guess "lived with stage three for years and never really thought about it" level of fine anyway. That is to say: itchy, twitchty, foggy headed and all of the other goofy stuff that comes with KD that you sort of get used to.

So. Stage three to stage 4/5 borderline, 4 days in hospital, pushed back to stage 4, which is where I am now. I am supposed to get my blood checked monthly and visit a specialist monthly.

But. I don't want to do it. I don't want a transplant or Dialysis if it comes to those things. I'm almost 50. Give a healthy kidney to a young person that needs it.

This post is rambeling as all and probably makes no sense. I am just trying to sort my thoughts.

Anyway. Sorry for the no OT thing. I am hoping to get feedback from any other loungers who have kidney disease of any stage, and if you have later stage, how you have been coping with it.

thanks for reading :hug

Edit: a beautiful SD friend Pm'd this to me, and I am adding it in on 10/26

One day at a time?
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"I listen to my body and give it what it needs."
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07-05-2023 at 08:53 PM.
07-05-2023 at 08:53 PM.
Saying HOWDY! to the normally late-night Finzz. wave

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07-06-2023 at 12:15 AM.
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Hi finzz2dlft! I know I have seen you around for years but I don't think we have ever chatted. I am an old-time SD member just like yourself Smilie

Anyhow - I just recently stumbled across this information about you and your health issues. I just wanted to say that I wish you the best and I (like everyone in the thread) hope things turn out great for you. Stay strong and positive. Sending lots of good vibes your way Smilie

Take care!
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Hey there Puf! Wave I know for sure I have seen you around here. My Uncle used to sing the HR Puf-N-Stuff song to me when I was a Kid! Thank you for the well wishes!

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Saying HOWDY! to the normally late-night Finzz. wave

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ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I wish that could happen, too! Eat
You are a sweetheart to think of me hug
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07-06-2023 at 04:46 PM.
07-06-2023 at 04:46 PM.
Well. Todays' appointment sucked.

I met with a vascular surgeon to discuss dialysis options. I was very much on the fence about it anyway and now more than ever I am feeling a whole lot of "nope". This was my first choice and the one I want to go with.

They want to put a catheter in my belly and be hooked to it forever or until I die. I will need to go into the center up to 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Another option (one that seems even more sucky) is to fit one near my heart (!!!!) or put expanders in my arms for the veins to grow over and it leaves a permanet plastic thing under your skin, very "Aliens"-esque.

So..yeah, no to all. At least right now. I am just scared and tired and confused. Sorry to whine.

ps edit to add this does not even include the whole cancer thing or a transplant. I am more inclined to get on a transplant list but again...oh hell, I just don't know.
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07-06-2023 at 09:21 PM.
07-06-2023 at 09:21 PM.
Quote from finzz2dlft :
Well. Todays' appointment sucked.

I met with a vascular surgeon to discuss dialysis options. I was very much on the fence about it anyway and now more than ever I am feeling a whole lot of "nope". This was my first choice and the one I want to go with.

They want to put a catheter in my belly and be hooked to it forever or until I die. I will need to go into the center up to 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Another option (one that seems even more sucky) is to fit one near my heart (!!!!) or put expanders in my arms for the veins to grow over and it leaves a permanet plastic thing under your skin, very "Aliens"-esque.

So..yeah, no to all. At least right now. I am just scared and tired and confused. Sorry to whine.

ps edit to add this does not even include the whole cancer thing or a transplant. I am more inclined to get on a transplant list but again...oh hell, I just don't know.
Hi finzz! You have a lot to think about, and it's overwhelming hug

I'm wondering, is it possible for you to have dialysis at home, rather than at a dialysis center? The reason I ask is because someone I know had a successful kidney transplant several years ago, but then that kidney started to fail, so right now he's doing dialysis at home. All of the supplies are delivered to his home. And it's a lot of supplies, but at least he's in the comfort of his own home during all those hours of dialysis.

I hope this is an option for you, and that maybe not having to spend hours at a dialysis center every day would influence your decision to have dialysis. It's something to think about. Ultimately, you'll decide what's best for you and what you're most comfortable with.
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07-07-2023 at 01:29 AM.
07-07-2023 at 01:29 AM.
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Hi finzz! You have a lot to think about, and it's overwhelming hug

I'm wondering, is it possible for you to have dialysis at home, rather than at a dialysis center? The reason I ask is because someone I know had a successful kidney transplant several years ago, but then that kidney started to fail, so right now he's doing dialysis at home. All of the supplies are delivered to his home. And it's a lot of supplies, but at least he's in the comfort of his own home during all those hours of dialysis.

I hope this is an option for you, and that maybe not having to spend hours at a dialysis center every day would influence your decision to have dialysis. It's something to think about. Ultimately, you'll decide what's best for you and what you're most comfortable with.
Hi velvetcat! Thank you for that information. I hope that your friend is doing well. Do you happen to know if he was able to do home dialysis straight away or if he had to start off at a center?

The surgeon told me today that I need to gain weight (they have lowered it to 30 pounds) and that I can't do it from home for at least a year until that happens. They want to monitor me.

It would be nice to do it from home as your friend does! I wish him well hug
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07-07-2023 at 03:53 AM.
07-07-2023 at 03:53 AM.
Whine away, Finzz. This is your thread after all.

While the news doesn't sound good, at least there are some options to consider. That's better than no options.

Take some time to think about what you want to do and what you feel is best for you and your family. It sounds like it's not something you have to decide today, tomorrow, or even next week. But we're here to listen if you need to WBR. hug
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07-07-2023 at 06:19 AM.
07-07-2023 at 06:19 AM.
Hi finzz Wave

That's a lot for you to deal with and I am sorry. hug Like w3kn noted you have some options.. and it's all your decision so do what is best for you Comfort
On the plus side.. you have tons and tons of great friends here to walk with you through it all. Big Grin heart
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07-07-2023 at 06:44 AM.
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Quote from finzz2dlft :
So..yeah, no to all. At least right now. I am just scared and tired and confused. Sorry to whine.

No, you are never whining here. heart
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07-07-2023 at 06:57 AM.
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Quote from finzz2dlft :
Hi velvetcat! Thank you for that information. I hope that your friend is doing well. Do you happen to know if he was able to do home dialysis straight away or if he had to start off at a center?

The surgeon told me today that I need to gain weight (they have lowered it to 30 pounds) and that I can't do it from home for at least a year until that happens. They want to monitor me.

It would be nice to do it from home as your friend does! I wish him well hug
Not the 'friend' above, but in the know (unfortunately). I was able to start dialysis (peritoneal, the one with the tube in the belly) right away at home. As soon as the catheter healed. Comparing two types - peritoneal and hemo - the one with needles or graft (that plastic alien thing), my preferred type is peritoneal. I was having bad reaction to hemo, and I didn't have a possibility to do that type at home. Peritoneal is convenient indeed: all the supplies are delivered to your home, you get connected to the machine overnight while you sleep, and good to go during the day. It's also more beneficial (re: blood cleaning) since it's done daily, while hemo is done 3/4 times a week - more steady, constant clean.
Anyway, any dialysis is better than none, transplant is the best. If you have a chance/choice - go for it.
Any questions - feel free to ask, I will be happy to answer. Personal experience.
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07-07-2023 at 07:52 AM.
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We need to make this happen - stat!

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07-07-2023 at 04:06 PM.
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Quote from finzz2dlft :
Hi velvetcat! Thank you for that information. I hope that your friend is doing well. Do you happen to know if he was able to do home dialysis straight away or if he had to start off at a center?

The surgeon told me today that I need to gain weight (they have lowered it to 30 pounds) and that I can't do it from home for at least a year until that happens. They want to monitor me.

It would be nice to do it from home as your friend does! I wish him well hug
I remember him being very stressed out when he started having health issues and his kidney was failing. His kidney transplant had lasted 22 years, and so it was heartbreaking for him to have to face all of this. He knew that transplanted kidney wouldn't last forever, but it's hard to be prepared for the inevitable. However, his mood perked up when he got on the kidney transplant waiting list back in 2021.

He never mentioned having to go to a center for dialysis, so I'm not sure if he ever had to go. It seems that he has done peritoneal dialysis from home from the get-go, but I could be wrong. He's doing as well as expected.

I'm sorry to hear that they said you must have dialysis in person for at least a year at first. I'm wondering if maybe at one point, if you're doing well with your in-person dialysis, that they will allow you to do it at home if a nurse is there to monitor your dialysis at home. It may be possible.
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07-08-2023 at 10:27 AM.
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hello friend hug

like the other said no need to apologize for "whining". we are all #teamfinzz and are here to support you as much as we can, which includes being some friendly "ears".

disappointing news, i know, but take your time to making the decisions that are right for you. we love you! heart

p.s. i'm very glad you're feeling well enough to wander in here more frequently. continued best wishes! Whee heart Whee
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07-08-2023 at 09:12 PM.
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Whine away, Finzz. This is your thread after all.

While the news doesn't sound good, at least there are some options to consider. That's better than no options.

Take some time to think about what you want to do and what you feel is best for you and your family. It sounds like it's not something you have to decide today, tomorrow, or even next week. But we're here to listen if you need to WBR. hug
Thank you Santa! hug You are awesome!

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Hi finzz Wave

That's a lot for you to deal with and I am sorry. hug Like w3kn noted you have some options.. and it's all your decision so do what is best for you Comfort
On the plus side.. you have tons and tons of great friends here to walk with you through it all. Big Grin heart
Thanks Schoobs! I am so lucky to have you all on my side. It does make things much better!

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Not the 'friend' above, but in the know (unfortunately). I was able to start dialysis (peritoneal, the one with the tube in the belly) right away at home. As soon as the catheter healed. Comparing two types - peritoneal and hemo - the one with needles or graft (that plastic alien thing), my preferred type is peritoneal. I was having bad reaction to hemo, and I didn't have a possibility to do that type at home. Peritoneal is convenient indeed: all the supplies are delivered to your home, you get connected to the machine overnight while you sleep, and good to go during the day. It's also more beneficial (re: blood cleaning) since it's done daily, while hemo is done 3/4 times a week - more steady, constant clean.
Anyway, any dialysis is better than none, transplant is the best. If you have a chance/choice - go for it.
Any questions - feel free to ask, I will be happy to answer. Personal experience.
Hi Gosh! oh wow, this is GREAT information. Thank you! I had no idea that you are also going through a similar situation. What is your weight like? What stage are you at? Have you ever been hospitalized or had a blood transfusion? What is your current creatine level? How often do you see your Nephro? BP and heart rate levels? Have you also had a dual diagnosis with cancer or a similar issue? I have a million questions, lol. I don't want to pry and please don't feel obligated to answer anything. But it does give comfort to know that someone else can relate to this hug



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We need to make this happen - stat!

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Quote from velvetcat :
I remember him being very stressed out when he started having health issues and his kidney was failing. His kidney transplant had lasted 22 years, and so it was heartbreaking for him to have to face all of this. He knew that transplanted kidney wouldn't last forever, but it's hard to be prepared for the inevitable. However, his mood perked up when he got on the kidney transplant waiting list back in 2021.

He never mentioned having to go to a center for dialysis, so I'm not sure if he ever had to go. It seems that he has done peritoneal dialysis from home from the get-go, but I could be wrong. He's doing as well as expected.

I'm sorry to hear that they said you must have dialysis in person for at least a year at first. I'm wondering if maybe at one point, if you're doing well with your in-person dialysis, that they will allow you to do it at home if a nurse is there to monitor your dialysis at home. It may be possible.
awww, oh no, poor guy Frown I feel badly for him. That is terrible indeed that he had a failed transplant. That is one of my fears too. I know someone that had the same thing happen and his transplant only lasted 2 weeks! Now he is back on the donor list. It just gets so darn discouraging. I am thinking if him hug

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hello friend hug

like the other said no need to apologize for "whining". we are all #teamfinzz and are here to support you as much as we can, which includes being some friendly "ears".

disappointing news, i know, but take your time to making the decisions that are right for you. we love you! heart

p.s. i'm very glad you're feeling well enough to wander in here more frequently. continued best wishes! Whee heart Whee

Thank you Aces! I get so much comfort from you all and I appreciate it so much. How have you been doing?
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07-10-2023 at 08:27 PM.
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Thank you Aces! I get so much comfort from you all and I appreciate it so much. How have you been doing?
i'm well....tired as usual and always wishing there were more hours in the day laugh out loud, but in the grand scheme of things all is well nod
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