A few dumb questions…… I'm trying to learn about these to set-up as storage for my wife's photography. Can she save her raw photos directly to the NAS so it doesn't slow the computer down so much? If so, which Synology would you recommend? I appreciate any help.
Not sure what you mean by "slow the computer down so much". Storing files on the computer shouldn't slow it down (unless the OS drive is filled almost to capacity). It all depends, of course. Do you have everything on one drive (OS + storage). Do you have a hard drive, do you have an SSD? For example in my desktop I have an SSD for the OS, and then some SSD and some HDD storage (1TB NVMe storage, 1x4TB HDD RAID 1, 8TB HDD). Dumping hundreds of GB's of RAW photos wouldn't slow my computer down at all.
To answer your question: yes, certainly this DS220j can be used for what you're suggesting. I started with a DS211j in ~2010 or 2011, and bought this same DS211j last year. For basic file access it's great. In my opinion it does not have the CPU or RAM to do much more than that.
Thanks. So she could store the photos directly on the NAS and use Lightroom to edit them from her computer? Am I understanding this right?
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My wife currently does this. I save the raw files onto the Synology NAS, she loads the files on her computer from there, and saves the output on her laptop, which I then back up to the NAS. We also send the link to clients directly from the NAS, using DS Photo
No reason you couldn't put the photos directly on the NAS, and then edit them from the computer (while they're on the NAS). I think it makes much more sense to edit the RAW files locally. The RAW files from my phones and EOS M50 are on the order of 30-50MB if I remember correctly. I'd much rather open, edit, and save those files while they're on an SSD or M.2 NVMe drive locally. Should be dramatically faster than doing the same over the network. Depends on your particular setup of course. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just think it makes sense to work with the files on the much faster local storage. And then use the NAS to save them, back them up, etc.
I was a fan of QNAP but I don't think I can in good conscience recommend them anymore - many others share this feeling.
1. They have a cloud service called "myQNAPcloud" which is supposed to give you access to your server from anywhere. This is convenient, but all it does is open a port on your router, which makes your server very vulnerable. Ransomware attacks hit a bunch of QNAP users who had this enabled. You can of course disable this, and if you go the route of QNAP, you should. ALSO - even with cloud disabled, it still phones home a lot...and annoying leaves the port open on the device anyway. YOU MUST DISABLE uPnP on your router or you will be automatically vulnerable to attack.
2. They rolled out their OS update QTS 5.0 recently. People have been reporting tons of problems, most concerning, with volumes not showing up in their data pool. That's a major headache, and will be the cause of downtime.
3. The typical home server models say they won't support more than 8gb of RAM. This is partially true - they will support 16gb, and it WILL run better, but for some stupid reason, when I had 16gb in there, I got weekly kernel panics during plex transcoding. Not the case when I rolled it back to 8gb. Not sure if this is hardware or something with their firmware, but this is lame.
The only way I'd recommend getting a QNAP is:
1. The price is good
2. The aesthetics of the box are what you're looking for
3. You either don't care about the QTS headaches, or you plan on just throwing TrueNAS on there instead
If all 3 things aren't a match, go look elsewhere.
Appreciate the write up btw.
#1, I was weary (of cloud) about this "convenient" feature....
Like those WD drives which have cloud access... you're at mercy of the cloud being available too. I've read people w/ WD drives lost access.
I've also read the QNap RAID controllers can go bad on you and you'd be stuck in the water.
So not only have you got to be deal w/ the occasional drive going bad (we accept this) but for the controller to go bad then you can't access you data plus you need a new unit.
Are the Sysology's known for having their raid controllers going bad too?
I have had this device for about six months now. My use is primarily a replacement for Google Photos (30,000 photos and counting). My expectations were probably high, but I am disappointed with the amount of lag time when accessing photos. In my experience, if I am on the same network as the synology device, then the load time is no more than five seconds for each page of thumbnails as I scroll. If I go outside of my home network, then the load times could be upwards of 30 seconds per page.
The device does offer a memory usage tool, so you see what is using
the most RAM. If you use that tool, then you selectively deactivate programs you do not use or need to help free up resources. This has helped me.
Synology just released an update to Synology Photos, there seems to be a slight performance boost.
Maybe compare the synology ds220j against the QNAP TS-230. I did last Nov 2020.
Here are 2 reviews by NASCOMPARES (both these models came out last year)
P.S. I'm just comparing these 2 models put out in 2020 at the most basic level at same price point. A lot can happen in a year in NAS so you will have to research what came out this year to see what is best for you. I'm happy with my TS-230 , but I use it at very basic level (nothing fancy).
Did they? had no idea. I upgraded and everything worked just like on DSM 6
According to their release notes, you shouldn't upgrade to 7 if it doesn't have 1GB of RAM. But then tells you its compatible with the 220J, although it only has 512MB and is not upgradeable.
Looking for a 2bay Synology NAS. QNap left a bunch of us dry with a bad board for their 6 years old Inter based TS *51 and *53 series. The mobo dies and you are stuck with a brick. There is a soldering trick to temporarily revive it, but it keeps having issues. They didn't offerred me a discount to upgrade.
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IMO this model is too slow for anything else.
NAS with 2 bays is always better than a single bay (Having a single drive is just begging for data loss).
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To answer your question: yes, certainly this DS220j can be used for what you're suggesting. I started with a DS211j in ~2010 or 2011, and bought this same DS211j last year. For basic file access it's great. In my opinion it does not have the CPU or RAM to do much more than that.
On DSM v7?
Yes. That is how I use mine. NUC running the server and this for storage.
1. They have a cloud service called "myQNAPcloud" which is supposed to give you access to your server from anywhere. This is convenient, but all it does is open a port on your router, which makes your server very vulnerable. Ransomware attacks hit a bunch of QNAP users who had this enabled. You can of course disable this, and if you go the route of QNAP, you should. ALSO - even with cloud disabled, it still phones home a lot...and annoying leaves the port open on the device anyway. YOU MUST DISABLE uPnP on your router or you will be automatically vulnerable to attack.
2. They rolled out their OS update QTS 5.0 recently. People have been reporting tons of problems, most concerning, with volumes not showing up in their data pool. That's a major headache, and will be the cause of downtime.
3. The typical home server models say they won't support more than 8gb of RAM. This is partially true - they will support 16gb, and it WILL run better, but for some stupid reason, when I had 16gb in there, I got weekly kernel panics during plex transcoding. Not the case when I rolled it back to 8gb. Not sure if this is hardware or something with their firmware, but this is lame.
The only way I'd recommend getting a QNAP is:
1. The price is good
2. The aesthetics of the box are what you're looking for
3. You either don't care about the QTS headaches, or you plan on just throwing TrueNAS on there instead
If all 3 things aren't a match, go look elsewhere.
Appreciate the write up btw.
#1, I was weary (of cloud) about this "convenient" feature....
Like those WD drives which have cloud access... you're at mercy of the cloud being available too. I've read people w/ WD drives lost access.
I've also read the QNap RAID controllers can go bad on you and you'd be stuck in the water.
So not only have you got to be deal w/ the occasional drive going bad (we accept this) but for the controller to go bad then you can't access you data plus you need a new unit.
Are the Sysology's known for having their raid controllers going bad too?
The device does offer a memory usage tool, so you see what is using
the most RAM. If you use that tool, then you selectively deactivate programs you do not use or need to help free up resources. This has helped me.
Synology just released an update to Synology Photos, there seems to be a slight performance boost.
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I may be mistaken then. It was my understanding that they deprecated DS File with DSM 7.
Here are 2 reviews by NASCOMPARES (both these models came out last year)
QNAP TS-230 vs Synology DS220J NAS Drive Comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ah2lc8
Best Low Price NAS Drive of the Year 2020 (11 months old review)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvUPgZ8-6Lk
P.S. I'm just comparing these 2 models put out in 2020 at the most basic level at same price point. A lot can happen in a year in NAS so you will have to research what came out this year to see what is best for you. I'm happy with my TS-230 , but I use it at very basic level (nothing fancy).
Edit: never mind, see the $30 off coupon but still doesn't explain the $189 regular price tag.
https://www.synology.co
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