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Source to compare efficiencies of heating methods
November 30, 2021 at
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Odd to post this in Finance but it's really a finance question. There are many methods to heat and cool living spaces, and I'm trying to find a source that allows comparing them all in terms of ultimate cost - factoring in efficiencies and local prices of utilities (electricity, etc).
Basically what I am looking at is - here in New England it's common to use home heating oil (which is really just diesel), NG (boiler or forced air), wood stoves and heat pumps for heating, and AC is generally regular AC (some people have geo but that's pretty rare). The combo "minisplit" units are popular, but I'm concerned that in the winter, if the unit defaults to pure electric heat (as in resistance/toaster) it will be outrageously expensive, vs. a true heat pump (which will only work down to a certain temperature), since our electricity is very expensive.
Basically what I am looking at is - here in New England it's common to use home heating oil (which is really just diesel), NG (boiler or forced air), wood stoves and heat pumps for heating, and AC is generally regular AC (some people have geo but that's pretty rare). The combo "minisplit" units are popular, but I'm concerned that in the winter, if the unit defaults to pure electric heat (as in resistance/toaster) it will be outrageously expensive, vs. a true heat pump (which will only work down to a certain temperature), since our electricity is very expensive.
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We have one mini split in an addition. Must say it keeps that room warm and cool. Considering there are two sets of sliding doors, as well as an automatic dog door (think drive thru pickup window). One would think the electric bill would really jump sky high in the winter, but it's not bad.
We are considering, with the fact that our oil burner is now 25 years old; to go with mini splits. Though we also have central air. Gas is not available to us, unless we get 10 other families on our street to agree to share the cost to bring it on our street. We don't want propane.
We have one mini split in an addition. Must say it keeps that room warm and cool. Considering there are two sets of sliding doors, as well as an automatic dog door (think drive thru pickup window). One would think the electric bill would really jump sky high in the winter, but it's not bad.
We are considering, with the fact that our oil burner is now 25 years old; to go with mini splits. Though we also have central air. Gas is not available to us, unless we get 10 other families on our street to agree to share the cost to bring it on our street. We don't want propane.
I'm just looking for some objective data, that's all, and it seems difficult to find!
I'm just looking for some objective data, that's all, and it seems difficult to find!
We didn't have duct work for central ac, but my husband installed it thru the eaves of the house. The same way any HVAC contractor would have done so. Tedious work and dirty work.
We still haven't decided on what to do. Every home we see with units installed outside, looks like a battleship with the way the piping is done. That is not attractive to us.
We still haven't decided on what to do. Every home we see with units installed outside, looks like a battleship with the way the piping is done. That is not attractive to us.
Basically what I am looking at is - here in New England it's common to use home heating oil (which is really just diesel), NG (boiler or forced air), wood stoves and heat pumps for heating, and AC is generally regular AC (some people have geo but that's pretty rare). The combo "minisplit" units are popular, but I'm concerned that in the winter, if the unit defaults to pure electric heat (as in resistance/toaster) it will be outrageously expensive, vs. a true heat pump (which will only work down to a certain temperature), since our electricity is very expensive.
However, there might be reasonable options. I can't remember -- are you in MA or CT? In MA, there's the HEAT loan [masssave.com]. You need to plan ahead to do it because it takes a little while, but essentially you can make a bunch of energy-efficiency upgrades (which are eligible for rebates through the same program family) and pay it back over 5-7 years with 0% interest.
We had an old oil boiler that was also the on-demand hot water heater. We switched to energy efficient NG boiler and an indirect water heater. Paid about 12k and are waiting on incentives. This will be our first winter with the setup, so we're waiting to see about the savings. However, where we were paying a couple grand a year in oil, we're now paying about $20 a month and we keep the place warmer than we used to. I'm sure that the bill will increase once the snow falls, of course. That said, the not having to worry about an oil tank leak in my basement or running out of fuel and not being able to get a refill for a few days is priceless. Of course, Columbia Gas did blow up half of Andover with their gas lines the other year...
However, there might be reasonable options. I can't remember -- are you in MA or CT? In MA, there's the HEAT loan [masssave.com]. You need to plan ahead to do it because it takes a little while, but essentially you can make a bunch of energy-efficiency upgrades (which are eligible for rebates through the same program family) and pay it back over 5-7 years with 0% interest.
We had an old oil boiler that was also the on-demand hot water heater. We switched to energy efficient NG boiler and an indirect water heater. Paid about 12k and are waiting on incentives. This will be our first winter with the setup, so we're waiting to see about the savings. However, where we were paying a couple grand a year in oil, we're now paying about $20 a month and we keep the place warmer than we used to. I'm sure that the bill will increase once the snow falls, of course. That said, the not having to worry about an oil tank leak in my basement or running out of fuel and not being able to get a refill for a few days is priceless. Of course, Columbia Gas did blow up half of Andover with their gas lines the other year...
So assumptions would be, certain home size, certain outdoor and indoor temps with some assumption about R value of walls and such - how much kW would electric heat use, how many gallons of HHO would be used for a furnace, how much electricity would a heat pump use, etc etc.
In essence I'm not looking for exact numbers for my situation but some general comparison - like a heat pump takes x kW to maintain a certain space at some temperature whereas a HHO furnace would eat so many gallons of HHO. Then I find my current prices, plug in and see where everything lies. I did find an XLS once that was generated by some government site, but I can't find it any longer and I am certain it did not include heat pumps (my main concern).
So assumptions would be, certain home size, certain outdoor and indoor temps with some assumption about R value of walls and such - how much kW would electric heat use, how many gallons of HHO would be used for a furnace, how much electricity would a heat pump use, etc etc.
In essence I'm not looking for exact numbers for my situation but some general comparison - like a heat pump takes x kW to maintain a certain space at some temperature whereas a HHO furnace would eat so many gallons of HHO. Then I find my current prices, plug in and see where everything lies. I did find an XLS once that was generated by some government site, but I can't find it any longer and I am certain it did not include heat pumps (my main concern).
So while I understand what you're going for, I don't know how precise anything will be. Have you poked around this site [energy.gov] at all?
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So while I understand what you're going for, I don't know how precise anything will be. Have you poked around this site [energy.gov] at all?
I'm an engineer so yes I understand there are assumptions to be made, but I'm only looking for ballpark numbers. For example, I know 100% electric resistive heating, while 100% efficient is also ass-rapingly expensive - I'd be content with just some general info like, is a natural gas boiler around the same cost to operate as a heat pump (insert my own local energy prices of course)./
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/148988/help-me-understand-my-heating-bill-average-cost-per-... [heatinghelp.com]
https://www.mass.gov/info-details...ting-costs
Install solar panels and your electric heating costs might drop to 0 Especially if you only heat a few rooms of the house and close the doors to the rest.
Not exactly what you want, but BTU assumptions can be adjusted.
It's very hard to heat with solarpower here in the Midwest. I have a 7.5kw array and an 800 to 4000 watt inverter ducted hyperheat minisplit along with wood and propane backups. For our modest 2100 sq ft house, I need a lot more solar to cover the winter, but I'm still about break even for the yearly kwhr budget.
Contact your local gas company to find out it will depend on how close the gas line is to your street.
https://energykinetics.
Electricity is considered to be 100% efficient and allows for spot heating much like a mini split whcich could help if you can just shut the bedroom door and let the rest of tyhe house cool down then burn wood during the day..
https://energykinetics.
https://energykinetics.
Electricity is considered to be 100% efficient and allows for spot heating much like a mini split whcich could help if you can just shut the bedroom door and let the rest of tyhe house cool down then burn wood during the day..
https://energykinetics.