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US Treasury Series I Savings Bonds Inflation Rate Earnings (Nov '21 - April '22)

(Limit $10K/Year Per Person)

7.12% Interest

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U.S, Government Treasury is currently offering 7.12% Interest Rate in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from November 2021 through April 2022. Limit of $10,000 / year in interest earnings per person.

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  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
  • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
  • You may use Series I bonds to:
    • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
    • Supplement your retirement income
    • Give as a gift
    • Pay for education
    • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • For bonds issued from November 2021 through April 2022, the combined rate is 7.12%

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Note: This popular deal is still available.

U.S, Government Treasury is currently offering 7.12% Interest Rate in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from November 2021 through April 2022. Limit of $10,000 / year in interest earnings per person.

Thanks to community member dn90003 for sharing this offer.

About this offer:
  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
  • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
  • You may use Series I bonds to:
    • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
    • Supplement your retirement income
    • Give as a gift
    • Pay for education
    • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • For bonds issued from November 2021 through April 2022, the combined rate is 7.12%

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Written by BostonGirl
Refer to the forum thread here for more information and details.

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Written by dn90003

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Looks tempting. But these are only rated for inflation as fixed rate is 0%. Once inflation is back down, your rate will go down with it.
In case you're wondering, here's how the rate is computed:
Composite rate =
No, these are govt bonds. They stay in the treasury. I bonds are based on the rate of inflation. They have a fixed rate plus the current rate of inflation. Inflation goes up, you earn more. It was 3.54%. Rates went up on 11/1. To realize the full benefit you need to buy before the rates change on 5/1 and 11/1. No fees or penalties. Hold for a min.of a year. If you cash out in less than 5 years you forfeit 3 months interest. After 5 years, you don't pay anything. You can only buy $10k/yr and then up to an additional $5k if purchased directly from your tax refund.
I bought $10k in denominations of 2,3, 5 so if I want to cash out I can do it in chunks instead of having to cash out $10k.: Better than any CD or bank rate if you want to stay in cash.
By the way, using your tax refund to purchase bonds won't count toward your $10k yearly limit.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/in...eature.htm

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MikeyMarginal
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Quote from ImaPuppy :
Cool thread, any other relatively risk-free yield products available that you guys have run across? Checking account bonus churning seems like one, anything else?
Sell calls against your long stock positions to continually pocket premium in exchange for capping your return rate?
Last edited by mikeyeastside December 15, 2021 at 04:10 PM.
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sam_ay
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Quote from sdeal_77 :
I think the issue is Treasury is unable to verify your details. Doesn't happen for everyone (for e.g. mine worked without verification but my wife's didn't). Not sure if the system detected something that didn't add up that they did the manual one (of course with govt these are common than simply asking us to upload the ID and confirming it)
You are correct. It's a security feature on their behalf, but has not evolved with the time. Something like a notary can be made to work or perhaps another method of verification.
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Quote from practicalme :
I don't know about some, but Schwab and Fidelity have offices in my town where I've had to visit for in person transactions.
Fidelity has in my town but not the others. Even Chase just opened up in here over the last couple of years.
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acegolfer
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Quote from music_mania90 :
Is this a better option than putting liquid cash in bank, I know I can't take it out for one year but after that is it better to keep it here . Take out when you need the money
Yes. Many ppl are using i-bond has emergency fund (after 1 yr). As long as inflation rate > HYSA rate, keep it.
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HokieCPA
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Quote from shortprong :
And if they continue to print money, the value of existing money drops ..... eventually to about zero.

One hundred trillion dollars—that's 100,000,000,000,000—is the largest denomination of currency ever issued. In Zimbabwe, from 2007 to 2008, the local legal tender lost more than 99.9 percent of its value (Hanke 2008).
I used to audit a forex hedge fund. Actually have a 1 trillion Zimbabwe note the CFO gave me 10+ years ago. At the time it was worth about $0.25. I framed it and have it on my desk
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Quote from fleabus :
7.12% is a high yield investment?
This should be compared to a one year CD that is paying 1/12 of the current rate on these I bonds. These are designed for those holding cash that want no risk. They basically keep you from going backwards in an inflationary environment.
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Quote from acegolfer :
OP assumed 7.12% for whole year. So I made the same assumption, despite it's unlikely. To be precise, the new rate will be determined on 4/12/2022. If you buy now (December), it will be effective for 6 months starting from 6/1/2022.

Let's assume your 6%. Then, in the 2nd 6 month period, the interest income (before penalty) is 3% of $10,356.
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Quote from jrenna07 :
So if I owned an LLC could I purchase one for myself, one for the LLC, and another for my wife?
This read will help a lot. https://thefinancebuff.com/how-to...bonds.html
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Quote from Hylin79 :
Not a bad alternative if you generally park some money in HYS's or CD's, plus the money is only tied up for a year. Also a great gift idea since it's below the gift tax limit to teach some young ones about money and interest basics. The $10k is a pretty good number, I wouldn't put anymore in this. People comparing this to equity, crypto, and other investment alternatives are missing the point. Don't use this as an investment or retirement savings vehicle, use it to park otherwise unused cash.

Also, there composite rate chart is misleading, here are the actual rates you would've gotten for the last 5 years:

1-Nov-21 7.12%
1-May-21 3.54%
1-Nov-20 1.68%
1-May-20 1.06%
1-Nov-19 2.22%
1-May-19 1.90%
1-Nov-18 2.83%
1-May-18 2.52%
1-Nov-17 2.58%
1-May-17 1.96%
I think every one of these outperformed CD's.
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For everyone that is having problems getting verified to setup a Treasury Direct account, I wanted to share what happen when I did my account. This was many years ago, but I suspect things are pretty much the same. I followed all the steps just like people are doing now. As many are getting, they requited the medallion signature form. I went to my credit union and tried to get them to stamp it and they had no idea what I was talking about. Frustrated, I gave up. Months (or maybe a year) later, I tried again and everything worked fine. No medallion required. To this day I have no idea why it worked when in the past it did not. There might have been some information that I entered that was incorrect or I left something out. Maybe the website just liked me more? I know this is of little help for people trying to open an account now, but all I can say is be careful and accurate when entering your information.
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The one drawback to savings bonds is that they aren't as liquid (easily bought and sold) as some other types of investments. You can't cash them in within the first year of their life, and if you have to cash them in within the first five years, you will pay a penalty worth three months of interest.

No matter the state of the U.S. economy, U.S. Treasury bonds remain one of the safest investments out there, so long as you hold single bonds until maturity. In this case, there is no risk of default, and interest rate risk isn't a factor.

https://www.thebalance.com/types-of-bonds-417075
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Quote from practicalme :
I don't know about some, but Schwab and Fidelity have offices in my town where I've had to visit for in person transactions.
TDAmertirade, Schwab and Fidelity used to has office in my county, Those offices sometimes call me and left me message ask me to call back so they can go over my investment with me... but I have been ignoring them.
The only time I visited one of the Fidelity office was a few years back when my wife changed job and the company show how liquidated her 401K, so I visited Fidelity to deposit the check to her IRA rollover account in order to save a stamp.

All their office got closed down in the last 2 years one by one. It is just ineffective to keep those office, I don't see how they will keep these local office for long
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The one drawback to savings bonds is that they aren't as liquid (easily bought and sold) as some other types of investments. You can't cash them in within the first year of their life, and if you have to cash them in within the first five years, you will pay a penalty worth three months of interest.
A one year CD is not liquid for the first year either. Even if you sell the bonds after 1 year and pay the penalty everyone is so worried about, an I Bond still beats the best 1 year CD by a long shot. The best 1 year CD you can find right now is paying about 0.6%. Even if you cash the bond at the 1 year date and lose the second 3 months of interest (whatever that rate will be) you are still getting at east 3.56% annual interest rate and likely more. Chances are when that year rolls around you will look at the current CD rates and decide the bond is still worth keeping for another 6 months. When the bond is no longer a good deal, sell it and move on. You need to consider these bonds as a alternative to CDs.
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No matter the state of the U.S. economy, U.S. Treasury bonds remain one of the safest investments out there, so long as you hold single bonds until maturity. In this case, there is no risk of default, and interest rate risk isn't a factor.
Agree that treasury bonds are some of the safest investment available. There is little need to keep these bonds to maturity though. Keep them until you can find a better deal. Consider more than just interest rate if you are in a state with high taxes since these bonds are exempt from state and local taxes.

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Quote from keung :
TDAmertirade, Schwab and Fidelity used to has office in my county, Those offices sometimes call me and left me message ask me to call back so they can go over my investment with me... but I have been ignoring them.
The only time I visited one of the Fidelity office was a few years back when my wife changed job and the company show how liquidated her 401K, so I visited Fidelity to deposit the check to her IRA rollover account in order to save a stamp.

All their office got closed down in the last 2 years one by one. It is just ineffective to keep those office, I don't see how they will keep these local office for long
I was just responding to someone who was saying that online only banks didn't have the ability to do a signature stamp for TD.

We've had a Fidelity in my suburban town for a decade, as well as Edward Jones and TD Ameritrade, and Schwab is just opened a new office. I see a lot of major banks reducing their footprints but I think some brokerages are spread out enough to keep their footprints. I've had to visit a few times over the past couple years myself.

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