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With vinyl there are so many variables that impact the sound - your turntable (weight of the arm, balancing of the turntable, vibration of the plate, speed, stability, etc.), type of cartridge you use, condition of the record (scratches, warping, dust, dirt, wear), mastering of the vinyl - all these factors make big difference to the sound before you even get to receiver and speakers. Rarely all these factors are tuned to the optimal state, hence most listeners will never achieve the best vinyl experience.
With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
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With vinyl there are so many variables that impact the sound - your turntable (weight of the arm, balancing of the turntable, vibration of the plate, speed, stability, etc.), type of cartridge you use, condition of the record (scratches, warping, dust, dirt, wear), mastering of the vinyl - all these factors make big difference to the sound before you even get to receiver and speakers. Rarely all these factors are tuned to the optimal state, hence most listeners will never achieve the best vinyl experience.
With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
yes I had heard modern vinyl was not as good and that is why I asked about the modern version of this album. Obviously vinyl requires a decent cartridge , needle, arm and belt drive turntable. Reel to reel is very good and is far more consistent and easier to handle than vinyl . It also does not deteriorate as much through use as vinyl and those reasons are more likely why tapes are used for masters . however comparing optimal reproduced sound on vinyl to the same on tape I believe that vinyl has better range and better reproduction on the high and low ends .
You've got a good point, but I did get a walmart exclusive picture art version of thriller that was really warped and sounds worse than my parent's original LP. So, it does happen. There's also the whole issue where new pressings are just taken directly from the CD, but I don't really mind that. It does bother the crap out of the analog purists though. I just love those heavy 180gram LP's.
They would never use a CD to create an album. The CDs frequency range is lower then a LP.
With vinyl there are so many variables that impact the sound - your turntable (weight of the arm, balancing of the turntable, vibration of the plate, speed, stability, etc.), type of cartridge you use, condition of the record (scratches, warping, dust, dirt, wear), mastering of the vinyl - all these factors make big difference to the sound before you even get to receiver and speakers. Rarely all these factors are tuned to the optimal state, hence most listeners will never achieve the best vinyl experience.
With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
Very well stated. I think that the phrase "vinyl experience" is key here, because the musical experience can be a lot more than just the sound quality. I enjoy the ritual of looking through my albums, picking the one that fits whatever mood I'm in, taking it out and putting the needle on the record. It's a much more thoughtful and engaging way to listen to music for me, not to mention the fun of digging through used bins and finding something amazing for $1 or 2. Other days, I like choosing 5 CDs and putting them in my changer and just letting them go for hours, which saves me the time of having to flip records. So, bottom line I think is that if you're looking for a different way to listen to music, give vinyl a try. If you're concerned with pristine sound reproduction or convenience then stick with CD/Hi-Res/etc.
Very well stated. I think that the phrase "vinyl experience" is key here, because the musical experience can be a lot more than just the sound quality. I enjoy the ritual of looking through my albums, picking the one that fits whatever mood I'm in, taking it out and putting the needle on the record. It's a much more thoughtful and engaging way to listen to music for me, not to mention the fun of digging through used bins and finding something amazing for $1 or 2. Other days, I like choosing 5 CDs and putting them in my changer and just letting them go for hours, which saves me the time of having to flip records. So, bottom line I think is that if you're looking for a different way to listen to music, give vinyl a try. If you're concerned with pristine sound reproduction or convenience then stick with CD/Hi-Res/etc.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my collection of LPs, there's certain nostalgic feeling about records and the experience of handling the actual album package is unique. I try to get them when I see them for a reasonable price, but I am strongly against new $30-40 common price for vinyl, especially when the source for recording is questionable.
I also think some people go too far when it come to vinyl or CD or digital and treat it as a holy grail for music.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my collection of LPs, there's certain nostalgic feeling about records and the experience of handling the actual album package is unique. I try to get them when I see them for a reasonable price, but I am strongly against new $30-40 common price for vinyl, especially when the source for recording is questionable.
I also think some people go too far when it come to vinyl or CD or digital and treat it as a holy grail for music.
Agreed, if you are going to be putting down some serious money on a record then it should be better than an older copy that you can find cheaper, otherwise what's the point. Even within releases, though, you find people who think it's garbage and others who give it the highest praise, so a lot of how we perceive sound seems to be very subjective and tied to the quality of the playback equipment (or there was an intern working the presses that day). So, yes, there's not really one holy grail for everyone. I recently discovered multichannel DVD/SACDs and that's opened up a whole new world, but that doesn't mean I'm never going to put a record on again.
A friend's band performs the album live with Wizard of Oz playing on a projector every Halloween at a local rock club in Jamaica Plain, by jamming the songs a little it fixes the minor sync issues - such a great experience!
A friend's band performs the album live with Wizard of Oz playing on a projector every Halloween at a local rock club in Jamaica Plain, by jamming the songs a little it fixes the minor sync issues - such a great experience!
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With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
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With CD many of these factors are eliminated, hence allowing you for a better sound reproduction.
Now, consider that most modern LPs (especially the ones sold at Walmart) are recorded from a digital source, which is essentially the same source CDs are burned from. Not only you are not getting the analog sound as on vinyl from 1970-80s, you also have multiple factors that decrease the quality of the digital sound from modern vinyl.
I know this will sound like a heresy to many people who want to get into vinyl, but unless you buy vintage vinyl from 1970-80s or special mastering of vinyl (Try Mobile Fidelity Labs records, which will cost a lot more than Walmart products), you are not getting the vinyl experience you hope for. Problem with vintage vinyl that most of is in rough shape after decades of use. You are really much better off with CDs, which offer comparable sound quality (same source, remember?) and better longevity for a fraction of the price.
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I also think some people go too far when it come to vinyl or CD or digital and treat it as a holy grail for music.
I also think some people go too far when it come to vinyl or CD or digital and treat it as a holy grail for music.
I would never have paid that kind of money on any album in any format. It's nuts.
When I was young albums were $6 concerts were $6 50 years later $20 sounds like a steal. Most concerts are $100+ anymore
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