Rated 4.7 stars out of 5 overall based on 15,500+ reviews on Amazon
"The Eye of the World, the first novel in Robert Jordan's #1 New York Times bestselling epic fantasy series, The Wheel of Time, follows Moiraine Damodred as she arrives in Emond's Field on a quest to find the one prophesized to stand against The Dark One."
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Rated 4.7 stars out of 5 overall based on 15,500+ reviews on Amazon
"The Eye of the World, the first novel in Robert Jordan's #1 New York Times bestselling epic fantasy series, The Wheel of Time, follows Moiraine Damodred as she arrives in Emond's Field on a quest to find the one prophesized to stand against The Dark One."
Wonder how many people watched the TV series and decided to read the book.
Yeah, the TV show was a mixed bag and I can understand why a lot of fans who have read the book(s) were disappointed...but I felt it could have been worse.
But then I watched the 6 short animated episodes (that were hidden or something in the TV show episodes)...and they were so good and true to the books that it actually pushed me more to not like the TV show which deviated quite a bit by the end.
The show had a lot of issues, but the "woke issue" is pretty negligible compared to the bigger problems. It's just low hanging fruit that people who are easily triggered can grasp onto. Ironically, it's all based on things that are in the actual books but just made more prominent or tweaked/added onto.
The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
Kind of a weird question, but how does this work as a standalone book? I'm not a big reader and not sure if I have the willpower to get through the entire series. At this price though I'm willing to grab it now for later reading.
I think it can stand alone pretty well, actually. But be warned that it may very well hook you, and before you know it you are reading 14,000 pages!
I think anyone that has read the books and seen the show agrees that the books are much, much better (as is usually the case). So, if the show tickled your interest at all, this book is worth reading to see the better version, and to open the door to the rest of the series. I love the whole series, and have read it multiple times. The show did make many painful, and in my mind completely unnecessary, changes. I for one, was thrilled by the "woke" changes, since it is nice to see someone finally acknowledging that not every fantasy world is only filled with white people. I also loved the visuals and effects in the show, so a fan can get things out of both formats. But definitely buy this book and start there to get into the REAL world of the Wheel of Time.
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I think anyone that has read the books and seen the show agrees that the books are much, much better (as is usually the case). So, if the show tickled your interest at all, this book is worth reading to see the better version, and to open the door to the rest of the series. I love the whole series, and have read it multiple times. The show did make many painful, and in my mind completely unnecessary, changes. I for one, was thrilled by the "woke" changes, since it is nice to see someone finally acknowledging that not every fantasy world is only filled with white people. I also loved the visuals and effects in the show, so a fan can get things out of both formats. But definitely buy this book and start there to get into the REAL world of the Wheel of Time.
The not "only filled with white people" was already in the books. Jordan already had so much diversity in the books. This was not a TV series change.
Kind of a weird question, but how does this work as a standalone book? I'm not a big reader and not sure if I have the willpower to get through the entire series. At this price though I'm willing to grab it now for later reading.
It's a self contained story, but it's also just the first part of a much larger story. If you don't like reading, the audiobooks are excellent.
By any chance you know which episodes that the 6 short animated are in? Thanks!
In order to watch The Wheel of Time Origins, viewers must open the latest episode of The Wheel of Time proper on Amazon Prime Video, select the X-Ray feature on the pause screen, and then select "Bonus Content". The animated shorts are particularly hard to find, as they are not available through Prime Video apps on platforms such as Roku or Playstation, and must instead be found on a computer web browser or through a phone or tablet.
I think you get access to all the animated shorts if you access it via the last episode...now that the series has finished airing. So you don't have to go through multiple episodes. If you can't access it, hopefully you can find them somewhere else online. Sadly they're the best content that came out of the whole season. Well, some (most?) of the episode cold openings were really good too.
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In order to watch The Wheel of Time Origins, viewers must open the latest episode of The Wheel of Time proper on Amazon Prime Video, select the X-Ray feature on the pause screen, and then select "Bonus Content". The animated shorts are particularly hard to find, as they are not available through Prime Video apps on platforms such as Roku or Playstation, and must instead be found on a computer web browser or through a phone or tablet.
I think you get access to all the animated shorts if you access it via the last episode...now that the series has finished airing. So you don't have to go through multiple episodes. If you can't access it, hopefully you can find them somewhere else online. Sadly they're the best content that came out of the whole season. Well, some (most?) of the episode cold openings were really good too.
Thanks! I have prime and watch with fire 4k tv. I will look for it again!
Also, if anyone has an hour to kill, Brandon Sanderson has a YouTube channel where he does a podcast type thing where he's just speed running autographing pages while talking to someone else.
He had a video which I think came out after a few episodes of the WoT TV show had aired...and he gave his thoughts about the show (as well as the extent of his involvement) while talking to another author who hadn't read the books but was watching the TV show.
I might go back myself and rewatch it now that the TV show is over...or see if he has any newer videos about his thoughts on the show.
There was just an amusing article yesterday how Stephen King almost didn't read GRRM because these books were so bad (his opinion) and he expected more of the same
Now I myself say, like some King works, this series drags a lot in the middle. So much filler
But without it idk if I would have discovered Sanderson who's works are fantastic and not boring
Thanks for cluing us in that you know zero about the development process of the final books
You can be safely ignored
It's ok. Still way better than the Seeker/SoT. Moiraine Is cast well but it's... a weird part to cast/play if they're doing the whole series. That's all I'll say
Lol good luck with that. It's always amusing to see people unfamiliar with the source material try and stick up for it anyway. It's the same story with a few minor tweaks to make it work for television. It's not exactly easy to make a season that covers 1200 years of book
What? its not even remotely the same story with just a few tweaks characters were aged up, motivations were completely changed, other characters were completely changed *Matts family, Perrin* you really really are getting defensive.
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The show had a lot of issues, but the "woke issue" is pretty negligible compared to the bigger problems. It's just low hanging fruit that people who are easily triggered can grasp onto. Ironically, it's all based on things that are in the actual books but just made more prominent or tweaked/added onto.
The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
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The show had a lot of issues, but the "woke issue" is pretty negligible compared to the bigger problems. It's just low hanging fruit that people who are easily triggered can grasp onto. Ironically, it's all based on things that are in the actual books but just made more prominent or tweaked/added onto.
The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
Thank you for providing an explanation of the TV series. I'll stay away until it gets better, I reckon.
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Thank you for providing an explanation of the TV series. I'll stay away until it gets better, I reckon.
I hope it gets better. But I dunno, it was headed down a path that strayed more and more away from the source material...which is always a bad sign when adapting a popular work. Filming for the second season was at least half done before season 1 started airing...so I dunno how much feedback will get incorporated into the second season.
But some positives, the final episodes were a bit scuffed because covid hit and they had to shutdown during filming. It caused problems with filming locations, extras, and CGI. Hopefully that's something they won't have to deal with in future seasons.
Also, one of the main characters just apparently quit on them during filming. The details are murky, but he's not in the final two episodes and had to be recast for season 2. So they basically had to do rewrites to deal with that...and it shows.
So they definitely ran into some unforeseeable hurdles which could lead to the possibility that season 2 will be better.
In addition, the ending of the first book (which actually ties into this post!) sucked and the author himself said he didn't really know where the story was headed at that point. The show had to adapt...and it just kinda sucked in a different way but with no help from the aforementioned problems. Following books get better and things become a lot more clearer...maybe the show will as well in that regard.
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Yeah, the TV show was a mixed bag and I can understand why a lot of fans who have read the book(s) were disappointed...but I felt it could have been worse.
But then I watched the 6 short animated episodes (that were hidden or something in the TV show episodes)...and they were so good and true to the books that it actually pushed me more to not like the TV show which deviated quite a bit by the end.
The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
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I think you get access to all the animated shorts if you access it via the last episode...now that the series has finished airing. So you don't have to go through multiple episodes. If you can't access it, hopefully you can find them somewhere else online. Sadly they're the best content that came out of the whole season. Well, some (most?) of the episode cold openings were really good too.
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I think you get access to all the animated shorts if you access it via the last episode...now that the series has finished airing. So you don't have to go through multiple episodes. If you can't access it, hopefully you can find them somewhere else online. Sadly they're the best content that came out of the whole season. Well, some (most?) of the episode cold openings were really good too.
He had a video which I think came out after a few episodes of the WoT TV show had aired...and he gave his thoughts about the show (as well as the extent of his involvement) while talking to another author who hadn't read the books but was watching the TV show.
I might go back myself and rewatch it now that the TV show is over...or see if he has any newer videos about his thoughts on the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnbmku3
Don't blame the author for the woke nonsense that is the TV series.
Now I myself say, like some King works, this series drags a lot in the middle. So much filler
But without it idk if I would have discovered Sanderson who's works are fantastic and not boring
Thanks for cluing us in that you know zero about the development process of the final books
You can be safely ignored
It's ok. Still way better than the Seeker/SoT. Moiraine Is cast well but it's... a weird part to cast/play if they're doing the whole series. That's all I'll say
Lol good luck with that. It's always amusing to see people unfamiliar with the source material try and stick up for it anyway. It's the same story with a few minor tweaks to make it work for television. It's not exactly easy to make a season that covers 1200 years of book
What? its not even remotely the same story with just a few tweaks characters were aged up, motivations were completely changed, other characters were completely changed *Matts family, Perrin* you really really are getting defensive.
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The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
The biggest one being "pillow friends" and what that means. It's made explicitly clear (or as near as possible) in one of the middle books what that means. Yes, a sexual relationship between two women. I think it was a noblewoman and a Sea Folk woman were caught being pillow friends. The Sea Folk woman said it was because she had been away from her husband for so long...then she gets blackmailed because she doesn't want others to know because she's afraid her husband will leave her if he finds out. So yeah...
Two of the characters were pillow friends when they were younger (as stated in the books). I don't think the books ever said they continued that relationship...but the TV show tweaked/added onto that they did. So IMO, not a "woke issue" but a product of them changing characters/story for "adaptation reasons" really. It served one purpose (showing two character working closely in secret) but has the potential to cause problems down the line.
Warders and Aes Sedai relationships...it's in the book. Sometimes they even marry. Orgy stuff...hmm, not in the book?...but I could see it as something that would happen.
Diversity...so the characters in the books have a ton of diversity. But it's geographically and by countries for the most part, the TV show decided to just make all groups of people diverse (so far). I think it's actually a good "adaptation reason" and the cast diversity was a highlight of the show.
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But some positives, the final episodes were a bit scuffed because covid hit and they had to shutdown during filming. It caused problems with filming locations, extras, and CGI. Hopefully that's something they won't have to deal with in future seasons.
Also, one of the main characters just apparently quit on them during filming. The details are murky, but he's not in the final two episodes and had to be recast for season 2. So they basically had to do rewrites to deal with that...and it shows.
So they definitely ran into some unforeseeable hurdles which could lead to the possibility that season 2 will be better.
In addition, the ending of the first book (which actually ties into this post!) sucked and the author himself said he didn't really know where the story was headed at that point. The show had to adapt...and it just kinda sucked in a different way but with no help from the aforementioned problems. Following books get better and things become a lot more clearer...maybe the show will as well in that regard.
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