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Feb 21, 2022 12:51 AM

Zwilling J.A. Henckels Pro 7" Slim Chef's & Rocking Santoku Knife Set

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Cutlery and More has Zwilling J.A. Henckels Pro 7" Slim Chef's & Rocking Santoku Knife Set on sale for $149.95. Shipping is free.

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Features:
  • Includes: 7" Rocking Santoku Knife & 7" Slim Chef's Knife
  • Sigmaforge knife is precision forged from a single piece of Zwilling exclusive high carbon stainless steel
  • Full tang with curved bolster provides solid grip and balance; comfortable and traditional 3-rivet resin handle
  • 57 Rockwell Hardness; Rocking Santoku 11° blade angle, Slim Chef's Knife 15° blade angle
  • Friodur ice-hardened blades are remarkably sharp, stay sharper longer and highly corrosion resistant

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  • About this product:
    • Made in Solingen, Germany with a lifetime warranty.
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    • Details of Cutlery and More's return policy can be found here.

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Cutlery and More has Zwilling J.A. Henckels Pro 7" Slim Chef's & Rocking Santoku Knife Set on sale for $149.95. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member KnightStar for sharing this deal.

Features:
  • Includes: 7" Rocking Santoku Knife & 7" Slim Chef's Knife
  • Sigmaforge knife is precision forged from a single piece of Zwilling exclusive high carbon stainless steel
  • Full tang with curved bolster provides solid grip and balance; comfortable and traditional 3-rivet resin handle
  • 57 Rockwell Hardness; Rocking Santoku 11° blade angle, Slim Chef's Knife 15° blade angle
  • Friodur ice-hardened blades are remarkably sharp, stay sharper longer and highly corrosion resistant

Editor's Notes

Written by BostonGirl
  • About this product:
    • Made in Solingen, Germany with a lifetime warranty.
  • About this store:
    • Details of Cutlery and More's return policy can be found here.

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Original Poster
Feb 21, 2022 8:03 AM
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KnightStar
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Feb 21, 2022 8:03 AM
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Quote from "transparent99 View quoted comment :
"Slim" means the blades are thinner? Does that have an impact on durability or sharpening?
"The nimble knives are 9% smaller and 24% lighter in weight than the original Pro knives."
Here's a side-by-side: https://www.cutleryandmore.com/zw...ctImages-3
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Feb 21, 2022 8:17 AM
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Feb 21, 2022 8:17 AM
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Quote from jeffricks2051 View quoted comment :
Yes, it's thinner. That's not a bad thing. Slim means it's less laborious (easier) to sharpen, quicker and more straight forward. I don't know what kind of mad man needs a knife more durable than a thin knife. There's no durability problems.

If you want to 1up without getting tooo involved, get a Ken Onion Edition knife sharpener for about 100-130. Every time a knife gets too dull for your taste, just run the knife 2-3 passes each side. No more. Doesn't even have to be 'perfect', just blazing sharp compared to what it was. Any 'shortcoming' can be done next time it's too dull for your taste.

The ken onion edition lets you go as low as 15 degrees. Great for kitchen knifes. Japanese knives are usually sharpened to 15 degrees (or shun does 16 degrees I think). The knives in this deal isn't goint to be 15 degrees (closer to 20). The sharpener will cover that too. Got to find out what degree they use and just set sharpener to that.
EDIT NOTE: The discription clearly states the chef knife is 15 degrees and the santuko is 11 degrees. 11 degrees?? that's very low and new to me. The Ken Onion Edition knife sharpener's lowest setting is 15 degrees. I have no solution to the 11 degree santoku. Can get a waterstone and dare to shapen it yourself. Don't know how many sharpening places will sharpen a 11 degree knife properly. I'd personally get knives that were set at 15 degrees and get the ken onion shapener.


https://www.amazon.com/Work-Sharp...r=8-2&th=1 [amazon.com]
"it's thinner. That's not a bad thing."
Agreed, its the same material. Thinner also means it can glide through tougher foods, like butternut squash, easier.

I hear that the 11 degree is a tad bit too sharp and doesn't keep its edge well. I've had mine for only a couple of weeks but since I only have light use I haven't encountered any issues with sharpening. One suggestion is to just sharpen it at a 15 degree once it's dull.

Otherwise if one wants to try a whetstone these sharpening guides [amazon.com]might be helpful. And from my research the best value stone is a King 1000 or the King KDS 1000-6000 combo (no links because all the ones I've found are from 3rd party sellers and do not have any recommendations for one over anther).
Feb 21, 2022 9:21 AM
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everestsunFeb 21, 2022 9:21 AM
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Quote from KnightStar View quoted comment :
"it's thinner. That's not a bad thing."
Agreed, its the same material. Thinner also means it can glide through tougher foods, like butternut squash, easier.

I hear that the 11 degree is a tad bit too sharp and doesn't keep its edge well. I've had mine for only a couple of weeks but since I only have light use I haven't encountered any issues with sharpening. One suggestion is to just sharpen it at a 15 degree once it's dull.

Otherwise if one wants to try a whetstone these sharpening guides [amazon.com]might be helpful. And from my research the best value stone is a King 1000 or the King KDS 1000-6000 combo (no links because all the ones I've found are from 3rd party sellers and do not have any recommendations for one over anther).
I have been using King KDS 1000-6000 for the last 7 years and very happy with it.
Feb 21, 2022 3:47 PM
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AnalogFeb 21, 2022 3:47 PM
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Feb 21, 2022 5:13 PM
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RumsfieldAndCokeFeb 21, 2022 5:13 PM
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Quote from jeffricks2051 View quoted comment :
Yes, it's thinner. That's not a bad thing. Slim means it's less laborious (easier) to sharpen, quicker and more straight forward. I don't know what kind of mad man needs a knife more durable than a thin knife. There's no durability problems.

If you want to 1up without getting tooo involved, get a Ken Onion Edition knife sharpener for about 100-130. Every time a knife gets too dull for your taste, just run the knife 2-3 passes each side. No more. Doesn't even have to be 'perfect', just blazing sharp compared to what it was. Any 'shortcoming' can be done next time it's too dull for your taste.

The ken onion edition lets you go as low as 15 degrees. Great for kitchen knifes. Japanese knives are usually sharpened to 15 degrees (or shun does 16 degrees I think). The knives in this deal isn't goint to be 15 degrees (closer to 20). The sharpener will cover that too. Got to find out what degree they use and just set sharpener to that.
EDIT NOTE: The discription clearly states the chef knife is 15 degrees and the santuko is 11 degrees. 11 degrees?? that's very low and new to me. The Ken Onion Edition knife sharpener's lowest setting is 15 degrees. I have no solution to the 11 degree santoku. Can get a waterstone and dare to shapen it yourself. Don't know how many sharpening places will sharpen a 11 degree knife properly. I'd personally get knives that were set at 15 degrees and get the ken onion shapener.


https://www.amazon.com/Work-Sharp...r=8-2&th=1
The thin reference is referring to the height the blade is from the cutting board vertically. I don't believe they are talking about the thickness of the blade.
Feb 21, 2022 5:23 PM
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jeffricks2051Feb 21, 2022 5:23 PM
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Quote from RumsfieldAndCoke View quoted comment :
The thin reference is referring to the height the blade is from the cutting board vertically. I don't believe they are talking about the thickness of the blade.
I think you might be right, and if so I think 'Pro 7" Slim Chef Knife' is an absolutely stupid name.
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Feb 21, 2022 5:48 PM
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RawGGFeb 21, 2022 5:48 PM
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Quote from jeffricks2051 View quoted comment :
The higher the hardness, then less often you hone, if at all. Japanese knives use really hard metal that you shapen with a water stone but don't hone at all (or hone rarely according to some, I don't hone my hard metal knives). Water stones are great, but I've fell out of love with using them. I'm focused more on cooking and take my own advice with the 'lazy' smart pragmatic method of using the ken onion edition knife sharpener. It gets the edge right about where it should be easily. I skip it on polishing the blades, or using 4000/8000 polishing water stones to finish. And I never hone. I just wash and dry my knives immediately, even though most of them are 95% rust resistant (like common/awesome vg-10 japanese steel, the VW Bug of japanese steel).

tl;dr The harder the metal the more it tends to chip (never been a problem for me), and the less you have to hone it, if at all (I don't). You hone softer steels because they fold left or right at the thinist tip of the edge. Hard metal doesn't much at all, but can chip.
Honing can realign the edge on softer steel with harder steel it will just create micro chips.

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Feb 21, 2022 6:13 PM
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jeffricks2051Feb 21, 2022 6:13 PM
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Quote from RawGG View quoted comment :
Honing can realign the edge on softer steel with harder steel it will just create micro chips.
I just googled that. Good info. Initially, it didn't make visual sense to me to hone hard metal knives. It always bothered me that, Shun, for one, sells honing rods along side their japanese knives.

Now I'm wondering if a diamond hone might be good thing. They remove a bit of metal instead of just hone. A few honing strokes with a diamond hone might be a good fit. not sure. Of course using a strop is a no-brainer. I haven't used strops yet.

Back to oversimplifying, instead of perfectionism, that's why some ordinary vg10 knives and a ken onion edition sharpener might be amoungst the best low effort:high efficacy ratio solutions to sharp knives at home (for a reasonable $$). It's been working for me. I just got the ken onion sharpener 4 months ago though. I don't see myself going back or moving on to anything else.
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Feb 21, 2022 6:14 PM
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RawGGFeb 21, 2022 6:14 PM
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Quote from transparent99 View quoted comment :
"Slim" means the blades are thinner? Does that have an impact on durability or sharpening?
I think in this case "slim" mean low profile (the height of the blade), a thinner blade does not impact the durability of knife, it's also depend on which task you're using the knife for. A laser (thin knife) is good for delicate tasks and details work, a workhorse (heftier knife) is good for professional kitchen prepping, a beater (cheap knife with some thickness to it) is good for some abusing tasks.

When sharpen A laser (thin knife) can take a lower angle and a workhorse (heftier knife) usually take a higher angle.


Feb 21, 2022 6:20 PM
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RawGGFeb 21, 2022 6:20 PM
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Quote from jeffricks2051 View quoted comment :
I just googled that. Good info. Initially, it didn't make visual sense to me to hone hard metal knives. It always bothered me that, Shun, for one, sells honing rods along side their japanese knives.

Now I'm wondering if a diamond hone might be good thing. They remove a bit of metal instead of just hone. A few honing strokes with a diamond hone might be a good fit. not sure. Of course using a strop is a no-brainer. I haven't used strops yet.

Back to oversimplifying, instead of perfectionism, that's why some ordinary vg10 knives and a ken onion edition sharpener might be amoungst the best low effort:high efficacy ratio solutions to sharp knives at home (for a reasonable $$). It's been working for me. I just got the ken onion sharpener 4 months ago though. I don't see myself going back or moving on to anything else.
Use ceramic hone, it's like a high grit whetstone in a stick form factor, it will remove some metal just like high grit stone but not much. I've never use a diamond rod but stay away from steel rod, one time I got lazy at my buddy's house and use his steel rod on my knife, later that day when I sharpen my knife I saw some micro chips on it under the light.


I would stay away from Ken Onion sharpener since it can produce some heat that could ruin the heat treatment, dry grinding/sharpening (no water or oil) always generates enough heat to do the latter.
Last edited by RawGG February 21, 2022 at 10:30 AM.
Feb 21, 2022 7:22 PM
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BraveClover5574Feb 21, 2022 7:22 PM
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I've had the slim chefs knife. Great build quality and sharp. But too small for my hands. Can't really hold it comfortablely. If you where large gloves, i recommend getting the standard size.
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Wavy-NifeFeb 22, 2022 1:31 AM
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Quote from JustinL1 View quoted comment :
We got a whole set of these for a wedding gift. I'm not a pro but this things are quite sharp.
Most knives are until you need to sharpen them
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Feb 22, 2022 1:32 AM
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Wavy-NifeFeb 22, 2022 1:32 AM
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Quote from BraveClover5574 View quoted comment :
I've had the slim chefs knife. Great build quality and sharp. But too small for my hands. Can't really hold it comfortablely. If you where large gloves, i recommend getting the standard size.
Where large gloves. Thanks for the pro recommendation!
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Feb 22, 2022 1:40 AM
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BluelairFeb 22, 2022 1:40 AM
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Loling at "Rocking Santuko". In other words, a Chef's knife.

I'd love to have been at the focus group.

Customer: "I want a Santuko like Rachel Ray uses."
Customer a year later: "This Santuko is too flat, I can't rock chop with it."
Henkels: "Meet the new Rocking Santuko."
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Feb 22, 2022 1:46 AM
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TharsisFeb 22, 2022 1:46 AM
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The 7" zwilling pro has a really thick spine, with the wide taper causing carrots to break while chopping close to the bolster/heel. (One of my pet peeves).

Does this "slim" model have a more narrow spine?

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