Electrify Home HomeStation Level 2 EV Home Charger

The Raddish

Apr 19, 2022 4:41 PM

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Not a bad price for a name-brand charger with 3-year warranty and UL Listed.

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EfficientKnob595

Apr 19, 2022 5:34 PM

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Anyone know how this compares to Enel X JuiceBox Level 2?

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FairSofa5430

Apr 19, 2022 11:36 PM

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FairSofa5430Apr 19, 2022 11:36 PM

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This $149 charger was a better deal IMO,

https://slickdeals.net/f/15717691-schumacher-sc1455-portable-ev-electric-vehicle-charger-149-free-shipping-napa?src=frontpage

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keurix

Apr 20, 2022 1:41 AM

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Quote from FairSofa5430

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This $149 charger was a better deal IMO,

https://slickdeals.net/f/15717691-schumacher-sc1455-portable-ev-electric-vehicle-charger-149-free-sh...

This one has a very unique plug not found in most homes. But yea the price is great. The other difference between the two is the OP's post is for a permanent home charger, this one you have here is portable. I did buy the one you're mentioning, but to charge at work. Less ideal for everyday home charging.

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Quote from FairSofa5430

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This $149 charger was a better deal IMO,

https://slickdeals.net/f/15717691-schumacher-sc1455-portable-ev-electric-vehicle-charger-149-free-shipping-napa?src=frontpage

40 amps vs 16 amps. The 16 amp one is great price, but a lot of the 40 amp ones are going to be $500+ easy. That said, just depends on driving needs. If you only drive 50 miles or less a day, 40 amps is way more than needed if your car goes unused for 8hrs+ at home between charges. At 16 amps, you might get like 12 miles per hour. So, research your needs. Given the fed rebate of 30% (disregard, rebates expired 2021), an installed 14-50 plug and something like the 50 amp one from ChargePoint for $699 might be better option if you want more "future proof". 50 amps is over 30 miles per hour easy if your car can take that. While cars will be able to take more, you aren't going over 50 amps at home with most breaker boxes, so pretty much done at that point. You wouldn't be driving that far and coming back home same day in most cases. It is helpful if you several cars though and need quick charge. Faster charging will perhaps shorten battery life some, so the ChargePoint does allow you to change easily between charging speeds, so that is pretty cool.

Last edited by actorps1 April 19, 2022 at 07:46 PM.

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pyroskater85

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Quote from actorps1

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40 amps vs 16 amps. The 16 amp one is great price, but a lot of the 40 amp ones are going to be $500+ easy. That said, just depends on driving needs. If you only drive 50 miles or less a day, 40 amps is way more than needed if your car goes unused for 8hrs+ at home between charges.

If you only drive 50 miles or less, you only need a level 1, 120v outlet

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ash78

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If you only drive 50 miles or less, you only need a level 1, 120v outlet

Right, and something to consider when looking at EVs or especially PHEVs. A typical PHEV can recharge in 12 hours or less with a basic 120v outlet. Not having to upgrade your home can save some cost and hassle, but conversely installing a Level 2 can help future proof your home. There will be a time pretty soon where homebuyers will basically expect this. We're still a decade away from that point, but just something to consider. I opted against it for our last home improvement, but we're about to have a new carport built and it's very high on the list.

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OrangeGorilla346

Apr 20, 2022 2:11 AM

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OrangeGorilla346Apr 20, 2022 2:11 AM

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Yes, in for one!!!! Now I just need to buy a electric vehicle and a house with a garage.

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jeremyjacobsnerd

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Quote from actorps1

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40 amps vs 16 amps. The 16 amp one is great price, but a lot of the 40 amp ones are going to be $500+ easy. That said, just depends on driving needs. If you only drive 50 miles or less a day, 40 amps is way more than needed if your car goes unused for 8hrs+ at home between charges. At 16 amps, you might get like 12 miles per hour. So, research your needs. Given the fed rebate of 30%, an installed 14-50 plug and something like the 50 amp one from ChargePoint for $699 might be better option if you want more "future proof". 50 amps is over 30 miles per hour easy if your car can take that. While cars will be able to take more, you aren't going over 50 amps at home with most breaker boxes, so pretty much done at that point. You wouldn't be driving that far and coming back home same day in most cases. It is helpful if you several cars though and need quick charge. Faster charging will perhaps shorten battery life some, so the ChargePoint does allow you to change easily between charging speeds, so that is pretty cool.

"Given the fed rebate of 30%"

Per the US Department of Energy website:
Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Tax Credit
Expired: 12/31/2021

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actorps1

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Quote from jeremyjacobsnerd

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"Given the fed rebate of 30%"

Per the US Department of Energy website:
Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Tax Credit
Expired: 12/31/2021

DOH! Didn't see that it ended when I looked up a few things. Been over 4 years since my last 240 outlet install. My bad.

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CanadianPanda

Apr 20, 2022 2:48 AM

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Honestly I would go for a chargepoint home flex or juicebox 40; they're generally more future proof. You can find a juicebox on sale every now and then for $599. I picked up one but I returned it for a chargepoint. The downside of juicebox is that you once you chose your wiring type (hardwire, 6-50 or 14-50) you're stuck with it, where as chargepoint and electrify America you have the flexibility to change the wiring and plug type later. One of the other thing I really didn't like about juicebox is that the input wiring is aluminum. I understand aluminum is cheaper and easier to get but copper is still my go to when it comes to electrical wiring.

Chargepoint on the other hand is more expensive (699), but by far it's the easiest charger to install and most flexible. The downside of chargepoint is that it is NEMA 3R vs NEMA 5 (it's basically ip54 vs ip67).

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starcaptor

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There may also rebates stateside (in NY, they give you 50% back including the install).

If you get an EVSE from a utility which gives you a full MIR, you can usually turn these into an MM opportunity quite easily. I made $400+ after all said and done instling my juicebox pro.

Keep in mind that the pencil pushers who write the NEC now require GFI protection on 240v outlets designed for EV charging, despite every half-decent (esp UL-listed) EVSE having built in GFI protection... The breaker alone is $100.

This deal pairs well with the cheap 6/2 UF cable deal from Lowes (you'll need to double the wire to get the third conductor, but still much cheaper than 6/3)

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Jubei

Apr 20, 2022 4:43 AM

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Quote from CanadianPanda

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Honestly I would go for a chargepoint home flex or juicebox 40; they're generally more future proof. You can find a juicebox on sale every now and then for $599. I picked up one but I returned it for a chargepoint. The downside of juicebox is that you once you chose your wiring type (hardwire, 6-50 or 14-50) you're stuck with it, where as chargepoint and electrify America you have the flexibility to change the wiring and plug type later. One of the other thing I really didn't like about juicebox is that the input wiring is aluminum. I understand aluminum is cheaper and easier to get but copper is still my go to when it comes to electrical wiring.

Chargepoint on the other hand is more expensive (699), but by far it's the easiest charger to install and most flexible. The downside of chargepoint is that it is NEMA 3R vs NEMA 5 (it's basically ip54 vs ip67).

Emporia is a level 2, 48amp charger for $399 all day every day. Often on sale off their website. Has more features and a 1ft longer cord.

I use their home energy monitor and have had good support from them. You can swap the wiring as well. It's not UL certified yet but they have submitted for UL approval (Takes a long time)

I don't know why anyone would go for these $500-1000 level 2 chargers unless they needed IP rating for outdoor use. Or the incentives are good enough to get it near free.

Last edited by Jubei April 19, 2022 at 09:51 PM.

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CanadianPanda

Apr 20, 2022 4:50 AM

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Quote from Jubei

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Emporia is a level 2, 48amp charger for $399 all day every day. Often on sale off their website. Has more features and a 1ft longer cord.

I use their home energy monitor and have had good support from them. You can swap the wiring as well. It's not UL certified yet but they have submitted for UL approval (Takes a long time)

I don't know why anyone would go for these $500-1000 level 2 chargers unless they needed IP rating for outdoor use.

Chargepoint is a level 2 but it can go up to 50amp once you hard wire it. not that it really matters to be honest... 40amp vs 50amp isn't really going to change things that much.
But the problem is that some electric provider (at least for me) only give incentive for chargepoint and Enel X juicebox by giving them access to your charger. (Basically they'll throttle you during the peak hours)

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stanclave

Apr 20, 2022 10:59 AM

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Now do recommend electrician rate standards. Prices are all over the place.

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