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expiredLibertarian posted Apr 29, 2022 02:05 AM
expiredLibertarian posted Apr 29, 2022 02:05 AM

US Treasury Series I Savings Bonds Inflation Rate Earnings (May - October '22)

(Limit $10K/Year Per Person)

9.62% Interest (Annualized for 6 Months)

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U.S. Government Treasury is currently offering 9.62% Interest Rate (Annualized for 6 Months) in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from May through October 2022. Limit of $10,000/year per person.

Thanks to Community Member Libertarian for posting this offer.

About this offer:
  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
    • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
    • You may use Series I bonds to:
      • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
      • Supplement your retirement income
      • Give as a gift
      • Pay for education
      • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • An I bond earns interest monthly from the first day of the month in the issue date. The interest accrues (is added to the bond) until the bond reaches 30 years or you cash the bond, whichever comes first.
    • The interest is compounded semiannually. Every six months from the bond's issue date, interest the bond earned in the six previous months is added to the bond's principal value, creating a new principal value. Interest is then earned on the new principal.
    • The composite rate for I bonds issued from May 2022 through October 2022 is 9.62 percent. This rate applies for the first six months you own the bond.
  • When can I cash my I bonds?
    • After they are 12 months old.
    • If you cash an I bond before it is five years old, you will lose the last three months of interest.
    • I bonds earn interest for 30 years if you don't cash the bonds before they mature.
    • If you've been affected by a disaster, special provisions may apply.

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U.S. Government Treasury is currently offering 9.62% Interest Rate (Annualized for 6 Months) in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from May through October 2022. Limit of $10,000/year per person.

Thanks to Community Member Libertarian for posting this offer.

About this offer:
  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
    • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
    • You may use Series I bonds to:
      • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
      • Supplement your retirement income
      • Give as a gift
      • Pay for education
      • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • An I bond earns interest monthly from the first day of the month in the issue date. The interest accrues (is added to the bond) until the bond reaches 30 years or you cash the bond, whichever comes first.
    • The interest is compounded semiannually. Every six months from the bond's issue date, interest the bond earned in the six previous months is added to the bond's principal value, creating a new principal value. Interest is then earned on the new principal.
    • The composite rate for I bonds issued from May 2022 through October 2022 is 9.62 percent. This rate applies for the first six months you own the bond.
  • When can I cash my I bonds?
    • After they are 12 months old.
    • If you cash an I bond before it is five years old, you will lose the last three months of interest.
    • I bonds earn interest for 30 years if you don't cash the bonds before they mature.
    • If you've been affected by a disaster, special provisions may apply.

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Written by StrawMan86 | Staff
Please refer to the forum thread for additional details & discussion.

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Written by Libertarian

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coolcoder
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If you buy by the end of April, you will get 7.12% for the first 6 months, and 9.62% for the 6 months after that (you are locked in at 9.62% for the second 6 months even if the rate for the period starting Nov 2022 is lower). Even if you could, why would you want to take your money out while you are earning 9.62%? You can take your money out after 12 months and before 5 years with a penalty equal to the last three months of interest.

Also, it is highly unlikely that inflation is going to go down to 0% anytime soon, so most of us will just leave the money in there for at least 5 years if not longer. Sure beats the 0.5% - 1% savings interest I was getting.
shj
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Assuming you want to hold for 18 months:

Buy today: 7.12% for next 6 mo + 9.6% for 6 mo after + (unknown)% for next 6 mon

Buy in May: 9.6% for 6 mo after + (unknown)% for next 6 mon + (unknown)% for next 6 mon
Fogmoose
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Certainly emergencies can happen, and you should never invest money that is set aside for an emergency fund in things like this for that reason. But the majority of people buying these bonds realize that and are investing money they will not need to access in that time frame. If you only have 10k savings total, you should probably not invest it in these bonds.

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May 02, 2022 03:05 PM
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mortwightMay 02, 2022 03:05 PM
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Quote from Libertarian :
Yes, if you hold, you will get the new rate after your first 6 months.
Oh I'm holding. My current plan is 10k a year for the next 10 years. I live small so I can not work til I'm dead.
May 02, 2022 03:06 PM
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MinionsMay 02, 2022 03:06 PM
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Quote from Knightshade :
As noted earlier- the US government has defaulted on bond promises multiple times, including multiple times in the 20th century.

Specifically they defaulted on type of repayment promised in the original terms- and the supreme court basically shrugged and said "Yeah, they control the money so they can do that"

It's less relevant here, because the repayment term is not complicated and is in a form they can just print more of- but the idea the US has always paid exactly as promised just ain't so.







This badly misunderstands the whole concept and math of the idea.


Here's a really simple example:


BOND:
Lock up $10,000 for 12 months (effectively 15 to avoid penalty on the first 12 months interest) and then pull it out at 15 months. And let's pretend it STAYS at 9.62 that whole 12 months for easy math, though it could go higher or lower (more likely lower).


You get $962 interest, then pay say 24% tax, and you net:

Your original 10k plus $731.12 in post-tax interest= $731.12 profit.


But if you have 10k in "normal" spending to do, you could instead:

Sign up for 3 different credit card signups where you get $500 for 3-4k spend.

Use the 10 to do that spend.


You end up with:

10k of "stuff" or "paid bills"
plus
$1500 in non-taxable cash.

That's 2x the gain as the bonds.

(actually more, since you'd also earn at least 1-2% on the 10k spend for another $100-200 in non-taxable rewards)

And if you do this with certain cards you'd end up with even more due to some perks and credits available... potentially a LOT more if you're someone who travels decent amount.




All THAT said, it's obviously not apples to apples, because the notion of the bonds is you're using 10k for which you DO NOT have any needed spending for the next 15 months (otherwise you couldn't "afford" to buy the bonds with it).



But apart from that, yeah the return on 10k in CC signup spend beats the interest on the bonds handily.
Why not do both? Toy can saturate credit card deals and still get these bonds. This bond is for cash that would be sitting in your HYSA account otherwise. Like this is a few months of my emergency fund that I keep semi liquid. I keep a year basically liquid. As long as the bonds are outdoing a HYSA then it's good. I'd keep less but as a single earner, I gotta account for the chance I'm injured or unemployed for a few months-year.
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Spaceman6969May 02, 2022 03:07 PM
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I'm new and I want to put 1k.dont mind leaving it untouched in the account for 3 years or more. Is this is for me? Also, I get very little tax refund every year for family of 4 as head of household.
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Genghis_KhanMay 02, 2022 03:08 PM
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Quote from chong67 :
2 yrs ago when the Pend was high, everyone panic. The petroleum sector is hit hard, economy slow, no demand.

I bought lots of it. Now at 70% return!

This is how you win!

BUY LOW, SELL HIGH. I dont listen to stock brokers or financial advisors.
What is "Pend" and what did you buy? Ibond newbie here but have been investing on S&P index funds the last 10 years.
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ndnwslttrsMay 02, 2022 03:09 PM
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I just came across this deal. So if I open account now, I have missed out on 7.21% since rate has changed to 9.62%? Thanks
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DrDealSeekerMay 02, 2022 03:11 PM
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Quote from ndnwslttrs :
I just came across this deal. So if I open account now, I have missed out on 7.21% since rate has changed to 9.62%? Thanks
Correct
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Shawndak07May 02, 2022 03:12 PM
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Quote from tennis8363 :
Yawn, just prepping my popcorn for about 8 months from now when people want their money out... and can't Smilie
Anyone buying these will read that you cannot pull your money before 12 months. So enjoy your popcorn, alone, watching absolutely nothing.

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mistry3May 02, 2022 03:12 PM
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Quote from SpaceMan6969 :
I'm new and I want to put 1k.dont mind leaving it untouched in the account for 3 years or more. Is this is for me? Also, I get very little tax refund every year for family of 4 as head of household.
Yes that is the perfect use case for this
May 02, 2022 03:12 PM
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haug0099May 02, 2022 03:12 PM
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Quote from tennis8363 :
Yawn, just prepping my popcorn for about 8 months from now when people want their money out... and can't Smilie
Get a job dude
May 02, 2022 03:13 PM
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AquaBook4864May 02, 2022 03:13 PM
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I too am a dumby. What are the tax implications on the gains?
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delzingaMay 02, 2022 03:13 PM
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Quote from gofarhaveacigar :
How does interest post to the Series I bonds? I bought 10k in March, but the amount still says $10k... I thought interest posts to the total amount every month?
Compounded and PAID every 6 months from bond's purchase date. You haven't waited long enough.
Last edited by delzinga May 2, 2022 at 09:20 AM.
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haug0099May 02, 2022 03:15 PM
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Quote from 9franko9 :
They don't care, they love the idea of giving their money to the treasury 😂
Ya, for 10% I will. How's your stock crash going??
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chong67May 02, 2022 03:18 PM
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Quote from Genghis_Khan :
What is "Pend" and what did you buy? Ibond newbie here but have been investing on S&P index funds the last 10 years.
Pend = Pendemic

Index Fund is good.

I look at bad or out of favor sectors to invest.

I dont panic when market is bad. I buy more.

Buy low, sell high.
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flangomangoMay 02, 2022 03:19 PM
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Quote from coolcoder :
If you buy by the end of April, you will get 7.12% for the first 6 months, and 9.62% for the 6 months after that (you are locked in at 9.62% for the second 6 months even if the rate for the period starting Nov 2022 is lower). Even if you could, why would you want to take your money out while you are earning 9.62%? You can take your money out after 12 months and before 5 years with a penalty equal to the last three months of interest.

Also, it is highly unlikely that inflation is going to go down to 0% anytime soon, so most of us will just leave the money in there for at least 5 years if not longer. Sure beats the 0.5% - 1% savings interest I was getting.
Wait my friend told me that it we only had to keep it in there for 1 year, not 5 years?
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rcs1957May 02, 2022 03:20 PM
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you could not find a worse government website than treasurydirect.com. I'm not saying don't sign up, but be prepared for 20 year old web site technology.

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