07-13-2022 at 06:29 AM#62
Modifications possible with this build
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* The motherboard size is likely mini ITX. Meaning if you are adventurous, you can relocate the motherboard to another case, and get more bays in the process.
* System has 2 SODIMM slots. One is empty, another is occupied with 4Gig. It is possible to install 2x8Gig for a total of 16 Gigs. Regardless what Intel and Acer says, 16 Gigs (2x8) appears to work fine. This is the 8 Gig I used in mine. 8 Gig Team Memory [amazon.com]
*The system has a single SATA full length power connector. If you wish to connect a second drive that needs a full SATA power port, you will need a splicer, something like this.
SATA Power Splitter [ebay.com]
* Depends on how drives you install and what type of drives you install, the temperature in the case could be higher than desired. I modded the case to take a 140mm and spliced the 3 pin CPU fan connector. It would be useful to disable fan control in BIOS so it runs at high speed at all times. *spliced fan header [ebay.com]140mm fan [amazon.com]
* The system as shipped accommodates 1x3.5 above and beyond the DVD drive installed. If you want to change the DVD bay to accept 2.5 inch HDD< you will need something like this *a DVD caddy 3.5 9.7mm bay [amazon.com].
With all above modification, my system draws about 25Ws at peak.
Copied suggestions below for various uses.
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Desktop replacement, Rating: Medicore
This is a mediocre use case as a desktop replacement because the limited CPU capability and memory. The system comes with 4Gig standard which will mean a lot of swapping on Windows 10 in default configuration. If you can up the memory to 8Gig, I think the use case becomes fair. It is a reasonable system for lite web page browsing, spreadsheets, email, YouTube and Netflix at 1080P. ie, this is a good system for your grandparents if usage case isn't aggressive.
Gaming setup, Rating: Poor
Expansion slot is half height, power supply is 65W, there is only a CPU fan. ie, if you want to game other than minesweeper, you should look for a beefier system, such as the one with I3 and 250W power?. Again, if you go that route, maybe Acer small form factor shouldn't be what you should consider. For reference, my current game setup has a 850w ps and about 7 fans.
NAS, Rating: Good
This thing draws less power and is quieter than my Synology 2 bay. CPU will be more powerful than my Synology with more possibility of expanding via standard PC peripherals. A two bay Synology is about $200 right now which means you can use this thing at about half the cost. With this said, there are only 2 SATA ports and no additional cooling fans and will only accommodate 1 3.5" and 1 2.5" drive without additional engineering. If you are okay dropping in a 10TB 3.5 WD Red Plus and call it good, you have an excellent use case here. If you are desperate, I suppose you can always use external USB 3.0 enclosures for additional drives. Hardware transcoding via Plex for a single 4K stream shouldn't be a huge issue since this Celeron has a UHD600 onboard.
pFsense, Gateway replacement, VPN server, PiHole etc, Rating: Excellent
What this system really excels is as an always on, minimal power, minimal noise internet relay device. I listed a couple use cases above. I am thinking moving my VPN server (both up and down streams), PiHole, and Firewall server into this thing. As given the system has more than enough resource to run Debian or BSD, never sipes more than 15Ws, generates no heat, and is virtually silent, I can see this thing sitting next to my cable modem and be the consolidating gateway machine that is currently being taken up by a Synology, a number of Rasperberri Pis. For $100, this is just a bargain you can't find equivalent elsewhere. Now the only decision is to buy another one as a backup in case this breaks. :-)
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Installed this Crucial 32GB set [a.co] and did not notice any slowness. The only thing that happened was a delayed FIRST POST after installing the sticks, beyond that, so far so good. Screenshots below:
WIN10_SYSTEM [imgur.com]
USERBENCHMARK [imgur.com]
HWINFO1 [imgur.com] | HWINFO2 [imgur.com]
CPUZ_MB [imgur.com] | CPUZ_MEM [imgur.com] | CPUZ_SPD1 [imgur.com] | CPUZ_SPD2 [imgur.com]
10-min stress test with CPU Smart Fan feature turned off [imgur.com]
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This 88 dollar PC is not a powerful PC. That is correct. I'm not being duped into thinking this is a POWERFUL PC!
This is a laptop PC who's motherboard has been placed in a tiny tower case and can run windows 10/11, and you can add more ram, and comes with NVMe, with external power supply that laptop's use! So very, very low power 24/7 machine 6 watts idle.
It has bluetooth/wifi,ethernet port, 4 usb 2 ports, 2 usb 3 ports. 2 year warranty, intel 600 internal graphics, hdmi and vga port,
You know that Walmart currently is selling this at 299 dollars with good user review average.
I object to the word "duped" in your post. There are 2-3 threads on this device on slickdeals , with things people are doing with it.
Like the Raspberry Pi, it is hobby device, and cheaper than Pi,( if you were to buy Pi plus all the extra's you need to buy to complete Pi package).
Hopefully, people read YOUR post, and read posts from others that discuss the positive aspect of this device, so they know what they are buying and not buying. Alert heard, sir. . Your mission is accomplished. Torpedoes away. Next target!
Where to mount the disks? As previously mentioned, there's space for a 3.5" disk and a 2.5" disk if you removed the optical drive. Alternatively, you could remove the entire cage and replace it with something that'd accept two 3.5" disks [amazon.com] (I haven't actually tried it because I haven't received the computer yet, but it should work). Similarly, it should not be too difficult to put four 2.5" disks in the case. Use a cage if you want to be fancy. Velcro or duct tape if you just don't gaf. Or get a bigger case, but then you'd lose the cute little form factor.
Where to get the power? Y-splitters. Just don't overload the power supply.
Where to connect the data cables? Ah, now this is the fun part. See previous post regarding the limitations of the PCIe bus. If the goal is to install as many disks as possible, one way would be to put SATA controllers in the ×16, ×4, and ×2 slots. Yes, the M-keyed M.2 slot and even the E-keyed M.2 slot could probably be used for PCIe modules, including SATA controllers and Ethernet controllers.
Each lane of PCIe 2.0 provides 500 MB/s of bandwidth, just barely sufficient for SATA III's 600 MB/s. This is obviously not a problem for HDD, but could limit SSD performance. You might want to be... creative... with port selection, if you plan to use SSDs and HDDs together. For example, if you put a 2-port SATA controller in the ×2 slot, you might want to pair an SSD with a HDD on that same controller to optimize bandwidth usage.
Also remember the limitations of the DMI link. If you're using this machine as a NAS, your disks might be sharing PCIe bandwidth with your NIC. You could potentially install many disks and a lot of other stuff, but they'd compete for bandwidth. Proceed with caution.
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Update...I did find the below command for linux and it shows x16 but not sure what it will take to get any GPU to work in it. Good luck to you.
$ sudo dmidecode | grep 'PCI'
PCI is supported
Designation: PCIE1
Type: x16 PCI Express 2 x16
Type: x1 PCI Express 2 x1
Here, you'd find a long PCIe ×16 slot, an M-keyed M.2 slot (×4), an E-keyed M.2 slot (×2)... not to mention the SATA, Ethernet, USB, and other controllers likely connected to the PCIe bus. This is way more than the J4125's paltry 6 lanes of PCIe [intel.com] could accommodate, so most of it is probably attached to the chipset, which is in turn connected to the CPU via DMI (similar to a ×4 link). So I bet that ×16 slot is connected to the chipset, which shares its ×4 link with everything else connected to it. Perhaps this is just not acceptable for a graphics card that wants a high-bandwidth link 🤷 ♂️
Maybe the 2 M.2 slots (×4 + ×2 = ×6) are connected directly to the CPU? If so, perhaps the graphics card could be installed in the M-keyed M.2 slot using a riser, bypassing the chipset to get a dedicated ×4 link. This may or may not make a difference, but could be a fun exercise for someone with enough time, money, and curiosity to try.
I bought an extra 8 gig ram stick, and In experimenting with trying it in different configurations. On a hot 90 degree day that is humid, I seemed to have screwed up both PC's.
I can't get either one to work, after doing this experimenting ram dance.
Is there a time out type interval with checking ram when you turn it on, or something I'm missing. I mostly deal with desktop memory, so this laptop memory might have some reset switch or something I need to do.
They were both working before I started playing with the ram sticks!
Suggestions. I am in process of doing youtube search for answer.
I just told someone else the other day , "don't fix what is not broken", .... and I just did that.
Instant karma!
I'll have fun with this , and play with it, suggestions welcomed.
So you are saying I should just keep it plugged in for 5-10 minutes? or longer?
There are two ways to do add a 2.5 drive. To add 2.5 HD in the 3.5 bay, you will need a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter. The other way to do it is to remove the DVD drive, and buy a 2.5 to DVD adapter, which can be had for about $6 on amazon.
Hmm, the post at https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
What I got is that it is possible to install two 2.5" drives, but not clear whether the DVD drive needs to be removed to install one of them.
One of the two Acer units I purchased came with a Hynix 4gb 3200 RAM stick. I just installed an 8gb Silicon Power 3200 RAM stick and have been testing the box out this evening. It seems to be working OK, although it did abruptly shut down once while creating a backup image. I went ahead and ran HWiNINFO64, what parameters should I be looking for? Under the RAM clock speed chart, the values match for both sticks with the exception that the Hynix 4gb has an extra row at the bottom for 666.7, whereas the Silicon Power ends at 800.0.
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What I got is that it is possible to install two 2.5" drives, but not clear whether the DVD drive needs to be removed to install one of them.
1 x 3.5, + 1x2.5 (DVD drive to 2.5 converted)
2 x 2.5 (1 3.5 to 2.5 converted, 1 DVD drive to 2.5 converted).
1 x 3.5 + DVD drive
What I got is that it is possible to install two 2.5" drives, but not clear whether the DVD drive needs to be removed to install one of them.
1 x 3.5, + 1x2.5 (DVD drive to 2.5 converted)
2 x 2.5 (1 3.5 to 2.5 converted, 1 DVD drive to 2.5 converted).
1 x 3.5 + DVD drive
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Where to mount the disks? As previously mentioned, there's space for a 3.5" disk and a 2.5" disk if you removed the optical drive. Alternatively, you could remove the entire cage and replace it with something that'd accept two 3.5" disks [amazon.com] (I haven't actually tried it because I haven't received the computer yet, but it should work). Similarly, it should not be too difficult to put four 2.5" disks in the case. Use a cage if you want to be fancy. Velcro or duct tape if you just don't gaf. Or get a bigger case, but then you'd lose the cute little form factor.
Where to get the power? Y-splitters. Just don't overload the power supply.
Where to connect the data cables? Ah, now this is the fun part. See previous post regarding the limitations of the PCIe bus. If the goal is to install as many disks as possible, one way would be to put SATA controllers in the ×16, ×4, and ×2 slots. Yes, the M-keyed M.2 slot and even the E-keyed M.2 slot could probably be used for PCIe modules, including SATA controllers and Ethernet controllers.
Each lane of PCIe 2.0 provides 500 MB/s of bandwidth, just barely sufficient for SATA III's 600 MB/s. This is obviously not a problem for HDD, but could limit SSD performance. You might want to be... creative... with port selection, if you plan to use SSDs and HDDs together. For example, if you put a 2-port SATA controller in the ×2 slot, you might want to pair an SSD with a HDD on that same controller to optimize bandwidth usage.
Also remember the limitations of the DMI link. If you're using this machine as a NAS, your disks might be sharing PCIe bandwidth with your NIC. You could potentially install many disks and a lot of other stuff, but they'd compete for bandwidth. Proceed with caution.
And a follow-up question. Would it be possible to install two 2.5" drives and if so, how easy would it be?
One of the two Acer units I purchased came with a Hynix 4gb 3200 RAM stick. I just installed an 8gb Silicon Power 3200 RAM stick and have been testing the box out this evening. It seems to be working OK, although it did abruptly shut down once while creating a backup image. I went ahead and ran HWiNINFO64, what parameters should I be looking for? Under the RAM clock speed chart, the values match for both sticks with the exception that the Hynix 4gb has an extra row at the bottom for 666.7, whereas the Silicon Power ends at 800.0.
There is no way to know the compatibility issue until you test it, Samsung chips seem to have better compatibility than others
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