07-13-2022 at 06:29 AM#62
Modifications possible with this build
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* The motherboard size is likely mini ITX. Meaning if you are adventurous, you can relocate the motherboard to another case, and get more bays in the process.
* System has 2 SODIMM slots. One is empty, another is occupied with 4Gig. It is possible to install 2x8Gig for a total of 16 Gigs. Regardless what Intel and Acer says, 16 Gigs (2x8) appears to work fine. This is the 8 Gig I used in mine. 8 Gig Team Memory [amazon.com]
*The system has a single SATA full length power connector. If you wish to connect a second drive that needs a full SATA power port, you will need a splicer, something like this.
SATA Power Splitter [ebay.com]
* Depends on how drives you install and what type of drives you install, the temperature in the case could be higher than desired. I modded the case to take a 140mm and spliced the 3 pin CPU fan connector. It would be useful to disable fan control in BIOS so it runs at high speed at all times. *spliced fan header [ebay.com]140mm fan [amazon.com]
* The system as shipped accommodates 1x3.5 above and beyond the DVD drive installed. If you want to change the DVD bay to accept 2.5 inch HDD< you will need something like this *a DVD caddy 3.5 9.7mm bay [amazon.com].
With all above modification, my system draws about 25Ws at peak.
Copied suggestions below for various uses.
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Desktop replacement, Rating: Medicore
This is a mediocre use case as a desktop replacement because the limited CPU capability and memory. The system comes with 4Gig standard which will mean a lot of swapping on Windows 10 in default configuration. If you can up the memory to 8Gig, I think the use case becomes fair. It is a reasonable system for lite web page browsing, spreadsheets, email, YouTube and Netflix at 1080P. ie, this is a good system for your grandparents if usage case isn't aggressive.
Gaming setup, Rating: Poor
Expansion slot is half height, power supply is 65W, there is only a CPU fan. ie, if you want to game other than minesweeper, you should look for a beefier system, such as the one with I3 and 250W power?. Again, if you go that route, maybe Acer small form factor shouldn't be what you should consider. For reference, my current game setup has a 850w ps and about 7 fans.
NAS, Rating: Good
This thing draws less power and is quieter than my Synology 2 bay. CPU will be more powerful than my Synology with more possibility of expanding via standard PC peripherals. A two bay Synology is about $200 right now which means you can use this thing at about half the cost. With this said, there are only 2 SATA ports and no additional cooling fans and will only accommodate 1 3.5" and 1 2.5" drive without additional engineering. If you are okay dropping in a 10TB 3.5 WD Red Plus and call it good, you have an excellent use case here. If you are desperate, I suppose you can always use external USB 3.0 enclosures for additional drives. Hardware transcoding via Plex for a single 4K stream shouldn't be a huge issue since this Celeron has a UHD600 onboard.
pFsense, Gateway replacement, VPN server, PiHole etc, Rating: Excellent
What this system really excels is as an always on, minimal power, minimal noise internet relay device. I listed a couple use cases above. I am thinking moving my VPN server (both up and down streams), PiHole, and Firewall server into this thing. As given the system has more than enough resource to run Debian or BSD, never sipes more than 15Ws, generates no heat, and is virtually silent, I can see this thing sitting next to my cable modem and be the consolidating gateway machine that is currently being taken up by a Synology, a number of Rasperberri Pis. For $100, this is just a bargain you can't find equivalent elsewhere. Now the only decision is to buy another one as a backup in case this breaks. :-)
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Installed this Crucial 32GB set [a.co] and did not notice any slowness. The only thing that happened was a delayed FIRST POST after installing the sticks, beyond that, so far so good. Screenshots below:
WIN10_SYSTEM [imgur.com]
USERBENCHMARK [imgur.com]
HWINFO1 [imgur.com] | HWINFO2 [imgur.com]
CPUZ_MB [imgur.com] | CPUZ_MEM [imgur.com] | CPUZ_SPD1 [imgur.com] | CPUZ_SPD2 [imgur.com]
10-min stress test with CPU Smart Fan feature turned off [imgur.com]
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This 88 dollar PC is not a powerful PC. That is correct. I'm not being duped into thinking this is a POWERFUL PC!
This is a laptop PC who's motherboard has been placed in a tiny tower case and can run windows 10/11, and you can add more ram, and comes with NVMe, with external power supply that laptop's use! So very, very low power 24/7 machine 6 watts idle.
It has bluetooth/wifi,ethernet port, 4 usb 2 ports, 2 usb 3 ports. 2 year warranty, intel 600 internal graphics, hdmi and vga port,
You know that Walmart currently is selling this at 299 dollars with good user review average.
I object to the word "duped" in your post. There are 2-3 threads on this device on slickdeals , with things people are doing with it.
Like the Raspberry Pi, it is hobby device, and cheaper than Pi,( if you were to buy Pi plus all the extra's you need to buy to complete Pi package).
Hopefully, people read YOUR post, and read posts from others that discuss the positive aspect of this device, so they know what they are buying and not buying. Alert heard, sir. . Your mission is accomplished. Torpedoes away. Next target!
Where to mount the disks? As previously mentioned, there's space for a 3.5" disk and a 2.5" disk if you removed the optical drive. Alternatively, you could remove the entire cage and replace it with something that'd accept two 3.5" disks [amazon.com] (I haven't actually tried it because I haven't received the computer yet, but it should work). Similarly, it should not be too difficult to put four 2.5" disks in the case. Use a cage if you want to be fancy. Velcro or duct tape if you just don't gaf. Or get a bigger case, but then you'd lose the cute little form factor.
Where to get the power? Y-splitters. Just don't overload the power supply.
Where to connect the data cables? Ah, now this is the fun part. See previous post regarding the limitations of the PCIe bus. If the goal is to install as many disks as possible, one way would be to put SATA controllers in the Ć16, Ć4, and Ć2 slots. Yes, the M-keyed M.2 slot and even the E-keyed M.2 slot could probably be used for PCIe modules, including SATA controllers and Ethernet controllers.
Each lane of PCIe 2.0 provides 500 MB/s of bandwidth, just barely sufficient for SATA III's 600 MB/s. This is obviously not a problem for HDD, but could limit SSD performance. You might want to be... creative... with port selection, if you plan to use SSDs and HDDs together. For example, if you put a 2-port SATA controller in the Ć2 slot, you might want to pair an SSD with a HDD on that same controller to optimize bandwidth usage.
Also remember the limitations of the DMI link. If you're using this machine as a NAS, your disks might be sharing PCIe bandwidth with your NIC. You could potentially install many disks and a lot of other stuff, but they'd compete for bandwidth. Proceed with caution.
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Actually, I have bunch of GPU cards around, I use the 88 PC to drive my external 4x GPU for mining with external 1000w PSU
The general recommendations are for the highest powered systems these cards will typically encounter. In other words, if they say 300w, it's because they're allocating 30W on top of a 250W minimum required PSU size. And 250w is a fairly standard minimum in the industry. We don't need 250, we need 65 (apparently much less, load reports of 25W seem to be the norm). so add the same 30w figure to that 65W, and you're at 95W.
Can you run a 1030 on this machine? In all likelihood probably yes, HOWEVER, I don't expect the performance to be much higher than my 730 (which runs at pcie 2.0 already). I would highly recommend getting ahold of the 90w power brick that ships with this unit when upgraded by acer (or compatible acer alternative). My POWER brick from my laptop is a LITE-ON 90W 19.7V unit.
And by the way, I decided to try the included 65W PSU, and it booted fine. Now that's not to say I'm going to jump into 3d mode with my overclocks on with this power brick, but the system will boot with the 65 W unit and a GT 730 (28W TDP?)... Honestly, it can probably run 3d mode, but I'm going to measure the wattage on the 90W before I go burning up this power brick
now, guys buying an 88 dollar laptop PC wanting to put in graphic cards in it, ... seems like a ticking time bomb.
I do have more expensive ACERS I could put graphic cards in , with pci-4th gen slot. But I bought xbox series s around month ago, so I lost the interest. I have no problems with you and others experimenting, it sounds like fun. It is no longer what I choose to do with my ACERS.
now, guys buying an 88 dollar laptop PC wanting to put in graphic cards in it, ... seems like a ticking time bomb.
I do have more expensive ACERS I could put graphic cards in , with pci-4th gen slot. But I bought xbox series s around month ago, so I lost the interest. I have no problems with you and others experimenting, it sounds like fun. It is no longer what I choose to do with my ACERS.
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p.s. Also my experience with blown power supplies is a lot more gets destroyed than the Power Supply. You only had one POWER SUPPLY blow in over 1,000 builds. Again, my experience is different because the power problems come a few months down the road, not when I install and test. In any case, after your research maybe you and others will come up with good LAPTOP graphics card that is very low powered, that would be perfect for the celeron 88! That would help everybody.
ZOTAC GeForce GT 1030 2GB GDDR5 64-bit PCIe 3.0 DirectX 12 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card ZT-P10300A-10L https://a.co/7jzxdnU
IMHO this $88 PC is like david vs Goliath
People are not here to replace their main PCs. Instead, this is an analogy to restoring a classic car, rebuilding a film camera, or souping up a Toyota corolla?
If you haven't read the 400 posts in here, these are not the droids you are looking for, move along.
Update...I did find the below command for linux and it shows x16 but not sure what it will take to get any GPU to work in it. Good luck to you.
$ sudo dmidecode | grep 'PCI'
PCI is supported
Designation: PCIE1
Type: x16 PCI Express 2 x16
Type: x1 PCI Express 2 x1
UPDATE...someone got a gpu to work. see post 385 from @musashi_1707
https://slickdeals.net/f/15916111-acer-aspire-xc-desktop-refurb-celeron-j4125-4gb-ram-256gb-ssd-88?p=156469333#
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