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the problem for emergency usage is that you are supposed to store these at between 30%-60% charge or you will damage the battery. This is obviously not ideal if you need 100% charge for an outage. LiFePO4 allows storage at 100% which means it'll always be topped off when you need it for an outage. These units are best-suited for camping or other times when you know you will use it immediately after charging to ~100%.
I used to be in the LiFePO4 gang... But unless your specific use case requires continuous charging/depleting cycles, for example if you're utilizing this as your home's main power system, the difference between lithium and LiFePO4 may never be an issue for you. If we're talking about 500 vs 2500 charge cycles, and you're only using it for emergency or camping purposes, 500 charge cycles could be a decade before you're at 80% capacity. However, LiFePO4 has other benefits such as being able to handle higher temperatures better.. just something to keep in mind!
I used to be in the LiFePO4 gang... But unless your specific use case requires continuous charging/depleting cycles, for example if you're utilizing this as your home's main power system, the difference between lithium and LiFePO4 may never be an issue for you. If we're talking about 500 vs 2500 charge cycles, and you're only using it for emergency or camping purposes, 500 charge cycles could be a decade before you're at 80% capacity. However, LiFePO4 has other benefits such as being able to handle higher temperatures better.. just something to keep in mind!
Yeah people on SD get their panties in a bunch over lifepo4 vs lipo.. when even getting to 500 cycles is high use for most people. And it doesn't stop working just has a lower output.
Just picked up the River Pro. I had bought the River and the extra battery on Prime Day, I'll be returning them now. The Pro is only a bit more than the other two combined, with a notable performance and capacity increase. And of course, Costco return policy & 4 year warranty with the Costco card (double the standard 24 mo), I feel safer with this purchase. Especially considering I'm tempted by Jackery for reliability (and it's a US company) and LifePo4 options for long term capacity, this moderates my concerns with Ecoflow a bit.
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Planning to use one or two of these with this solar panel. Highly portable (folds down to the size of a ream of paper), and more affordable than Ecoflow and other options. The way it folds may make it hard for some to mount, and the stand it comes with could be better, but it works perfectly for my needs. Great reviews, and seems to be quite efficient (especially for the price compared to Ecoflow's panels). Used one previously to charge a deep cycle battery system.
I haven't had a chance to test it with an Ecoflow yet, but looking forward to confirming. Seems to be compatible. I'm curious if anyone else has experience using these panels, especially with an Ecoflow. I may buy a second if the test is successful...
Reading a large chunk of the reviews on Costco's product page tells me that I should be prepared to do a warehouse return due to issues with connectivity (extra battery).
Just got mine today and the main unit seems to work but haven't tried the extra battery yet. I am hooking it up in the morning and i will post how it goes here tomorrow evening.
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Make sure you update the firmware via the app before the main unit is able to recognize the extended battery.
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Just got mine today and the main unit seems to work but haven't tried the extra battery yet. I am hooking it up in the morning and i will post how it goes here tomorrow evening.
While this unit can power most things around the home, there are a few things it cannot power such as an electronic kettle (which makes me doubt it could be used for a coffee maker either).
So for 699 I can run my coffee maker for 5 min before the battery is dead
Google says average us coffee maker is 1312 watts. 1420 watt/h x 80% ish for inverter losses gives you 1136 usable watt/h. So this will Run an average coffee maker for about 45-55 minutes
edit nvm. I didnt see the max inverter power is too low to run that average coffee maker. maybe a single serve then 🙂
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I need to run a cpap for camping - which of these would be large enough to do that for 3 days
It really depends on your cpap. Check the manufacturer's website and they usually list it in the specs. Some are as low as 30W, but my Resmed Airsense 10, for instance, draws an average of ~50W and peaks around 100W, which is on the high end. I like to get at least 7 hrs a night with my cpap, so I need something around 700Wh to be safe for just one night.
So, unless your cpap is a power vampire then
-River would not be enough
-River Pro should be enough for one night
-River Pro with extra battery would be more then enough for several nights.
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Do they make lithium car starter jumpers that also double as "power stations"?
Brand name with warranty probably a good idea, these companies know their "10 year lithium" only lasts a few years in reality so they just collapse and start a new company every few years, Duracell and Energizer even if still made in China will be around in 10 years
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It's simple math.. watt hours is how many watts it can sustain for 1hr.. so a 720w draw would last 2 hours.
$0.485/Wh
LifePo4 may go more cycles, but at this price and my occasional usage level, I'm not sure I care.
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I haven't had a chance to test it with an Ecoflow yet, but looking forward to confirming. Seems to be compatible. I'm curious if anyone else has experience using these panels, especially with an Ecoflow. I may buy a second if the test is successful...
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Review of Delta vs River Pro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...nSe
Delta level has a higher steady output + peak output
edit nvm. I didnt see the max inverter power is too low to run that average coffee maker. maybe a single serve then 🙂
So, unless your cpap is a power vampire then
-River would not be enough
-River Pro should be enough for one night
-River Pro with extra battery would be more then enough for several nights.
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Brand name with warranty probably a good idea, these companies know their "10 year lithium" only lasts a few years in reality so they just collapse and start a new company every few years, Duracell and Energizer even if still made in China will be around in 10 years
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