Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR): Ultimate Rewards Redemption Bonus on Apple 50%
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Would not recommend purchasing apple products through chase, when I did I was told returning the product within the general return window is not an option.
I have been noticing a strange pattern lately on CSR travel bookings. Everything that I go to book(flights, rental cars, hotels, activities etc...) has the price marked up. I have multiple times booked directly from the vendors or some other website because the CSR travel show extremely high marked up prices. I would rather spend the money here since I know I am getting 50% more for my points but not sure about the third party seller though.
I have been noticing a strange pattern lately on CSR travel bookings. Everything that I go to book(flights, rental cars, hotels, activities etc...) has the price marked up. I have multiple times booked directly from the vendors or some other website because the CSR travel show extremely high marked up prices. I would rather spend the money here since I know I am getting 50% more for my points but not sure about the third party seller though.
More the reason to be transferring those points to an airline for mileage redemption travel.
I have been noticing a strange pattern lately on CSR travel bookings. Everything that I go to book(flights, rental cars, hotels, activities etc...) has the price marked up. I have multiple times booked directly from the vendors or some other website because the CSR travel show extremely high marked up prices. I would rather spend the money here since I know I am getting 50% more for my points but not sure about the third party seller though.
Chase sapphire reserved also gives you the option to pay yourself back at the 50% more value for restaurant visits. I think that's the best deal personally because those are purchases I'm making regardless.
Chase sapphire reserved also gives you the option to pay yourself back at the 50% more value for restaurant visits. I think that's the best deal personally because those are purchases I'm making regardless.
Agreed 200% and this is what we do as well on our CSRs.
The only reason why, historically, I saved CSR points for travel was the 50% bonus. I had banked over 200k points and we had planned to use them to book a nice family vacation. Back in April 2020.... Suffice it to say, things didn't work out as planned. While we did get refunded, it took months and numerous calls/emails to get everything credited back, which wouldn't have been as problematic if we had just used our CC to make the purchase like normal. But to get 50% back on restaurants and other categories means the exact same savings and point redemptions without the hassle. Not to mention still getting the 3x point earning on the travel purchases. That means that, for many purchases, we're easily earning 4.5% back on statement credits every month. Total win-win.
Even in this case, it's a better deal, assuming you have enough qualifying purchases (e.g. restaurants) to get the cash back via statement credits. If you were buying something for $1000 at Apple, instead of using 66,667 points for that (50% bonus), use that to redeem on existing qualifying purchases for a statement credit of $1000, buy the Apple device for $1000 and get an extra 1000 CSR points ($15 value). Better deal that way and you get the normal CC protections on the purchase.
This is not a good redemption rate for UR points IMO. It's bare minimum acceptable. Also you're not buying from Apple and you're giving up their return policy, plus waiting way too long for delivery.
Best redemption strategy for UR points is transferring to travel partners. Worst case scenario is redeeming via pay yourself back at the same rate as this deal (b/c it's literally a credit). Buying something from Chase gives up the vendor return policy and booking travel through the portal for 50% bump is fine if nothing goes wrong but a veritable NIGHTMARE when things DO go wrong. (To pre-empt the response to this, I understand some of you have used the portal with no issue. I did for years. Things don't go wrong until they do. And when they do, you will spend dozens of hours trying to recover your points. You'll wait on hold for 4 hours and then get hung up on. They'll tell you to wait a billing cycle or two and then nothing will happen. They'll send you to the airline who will send you back to Chase. They'll eventually issue a refund that will get lost in the ether because it gets refunded to Chase and not your card if you booked with points. Chase will again tell you to wait 1-2 billing cycles. Rinse and repeat.)
This is not the same portal as a few years ago, Chase took it over and outsourced everything and now it's complete trash. Booking direct is the way to go these days. Use your UR points to transfer to travel partners.
Best redemption strategy for UR points is transferring to travel partners. Worst case scenario is redeeming via pay yourself back at the same rate as this deal (b/c it's literally a credit).
While I would agree that, depending on the circumstances and use case, transferring UR points to travel partners can get you a better than 50% bonus, I would consider the 'pay yourself back' promotion to be the second best option universally, and possibly the best option for people who don't want to deal with the complexity of airline point redemption, or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, etc. I wouldn't remotely consider that the "worst case scenario" as getting a 50% bonus (bringing you up to 4.5% cash back in some cases) is still amazingly good and better than many other alternative options. Pay Yourself Back is even better than the deal in the OP/this thread for the reason I cited above in an earlier post. This might be what you meant, but "worst case scenario" seems to imply otherwise.
While I would agree that, depending on the circumstances and use case, transferring UR points to travel partners can get you a better than 50% bonus, I would consider the 'pay yourself back' promotion to be the second best option universally, and possibly the best option for people who don't want to deal with the complexity of airline point redemption, or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, etc. I wouldn't remotely consider that the "worst case scenario" as getting a 50% bonus (bringing you up to 4.5% cash back in some cases) is still amazingly good and better than many other alternative options. Pay Yourself Back is even better than the deal in the OP/this thread for the reason I cited above in an earlier post. This might be what you meant, but "worst case scenario" seems to imply otherwise.
Worst case scenario meaning it's the minimal acceptable point redemption rate, 1.5c per point. Some people seemed to be excited to get Apple items at this rate but they don't understand that in the UR ecosystem that's not "good", it's minimum.
That said, even that redemption rate isn't universal, is better to redeem via PYB where it's a straight credit and not purchasing an item from Chase as opposed to from the vendor (like Apple) directly. Chase as the retailer is not a great choice.
Also I'll say this: if you don't want to deal with the complexity of airline redemption or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, you should strongly consider not holding a premium travel card. It will save your sanity.
Worst case scenario meaning it's the minimal acceptable point redemption rate, 1.5c per point. Some people seemed to be excited to get Apple items at this rate but they don't understand that in the UR ecosystem that's not "good", it's minimum.
That said, even that redemption rate is better redeemed via PYB where it's a straight credit and not purchasing an item from Chase as opposed to from the vendor (like Apple) directly, which is preferable.
Also I'll say this: if you don't want to deal with the complexity of airline redemption or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, you should strongly consider not holding a premium travel card. It will save your sanity.
I agree that it never makes sense to redeem UR point for less than 1.5c/p, but there are different options available to get that, and I would consider PYB to be the best of all of those options and the second best option overall for anyone. And I also agree, and said the same earlier, that using points to buy stuff, e.g. this 'deal', is not a great option since you're leaving money on the table and not getting the same benefits as a direct purchase.
I would argue that the order of redemption 'best case' scenarios would be:
1) Travel Partner Point Transfer (again, if it makes sense for the individual and what you are transferring to, as it isn't worth it in some cases like hotels). Possibly >1.5c/p.
2) Pay Yourself Back. 1.5c/p
3) 50% Bonus Redemption 'Deals' like this one. Slightly <1.5c/p when calculating loss of earning potential.
4) Anything else that give you the normal 1c/p redemption value (or less).
I've had the CSR card since inception. In fact, I was probably one of the first people to sign up, as I found the link before it went public (posting it here in fact, which eventually became FP after SD figured out how to monetize it....). It's by far my favorite card. And while I don't travel as much as I used to (different job role), I still have no plans to replace it since I still find value in it, though the AF going from $450->$550 definitely hurt the numbers a bit. When you factor in the $300 AF credit for *ANY* travel related expenses, which almost anyone would qualify for, it brings the AF down to really $250. Adding in the TSA/GE credit (~$20/year), Priority Pass, better CC protections like primary rental insurance, better point earning/redemption options (up to 4.5% back), etc., I would consider it to still be a very viable card even for people who don't travel extensively. Granted if you don't travel at all, there is zero point in having this card, but even the occasional traveler can benefit from it.
And again, while I agree that properly planned travel partner point transfers can definitely give you the most bang for the point (close to 3c/p in some cases), that isn't universal, may not benefit everyone, and requires more familiarity with how that all works. Especially when you get into the more advanced scenarios of transferring to third party airlines for partner airline redemptions. And it isn't always as good as it was with the way some airlines have nerf'd their programs, or you really only get >1.5c/p if you redeem for business class travel. Some travel partner point transfers will get you <1.5c/p. So for people who don't want to deal with that, or their travel requirements don't net a better value, the PYB 1.5% guaranteed redemption is definitely a great benefit of the CSR.
I have a ton of CSR points (200k+). Was looking to buy an apple watch series 8 for my wife. For only 26,600 points i can have one. To me that seems like a good price instead of $400+ for the watch. Trying to see how this could be a bad choice given we have no travel plans at the moment.
I have a ton of CSR points (200k+). Was looking to buy an apple watch series 8 for my wife. For only 26,600 points i can have one. To me that seems like a good price instead of $400+ for the watch. Trying to see how this could be a bad choice given we have no travel plans at the moment.
If you don't mind the possible hassle of dealing with CSR/warranty claims/waiting for your products/etc, then it's not bad in your case.
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The only reason why, historically, I saved CSR points for travel was the 50% bonus. I had banked over 200k points and we had planned to use them to book a nice family vacation. Back in April 2020.... Suffice it to say, things didn't work out as planned. While we did get refunded, it took months and numerous calls/emails to get everything credited back, which wouldn't have been as problematic if we had just used our CC to make the purchase like normal. But to get 50% back on restaurants and other categories means the exact same savings and point redemptions without the hassle. Not to mention still getting the 3x point earning on the travel purchases. That means that, for many purchases, we're easily earning 4.5% back on statement credits every month. Total win-win.
Even in this case, it's a better deal, assuming you have enough qualifying purchases (e.g. restaurants) to get the cash back via statement credits. If you were buying something for $1000 at Apple, instead of using 66,667 points for that (50% bonus), use that to redeem on existing qualifying purchases for a statement credit of $1000, buy the Apple device for $1000 and get an extra 1000 CSR points ($15 value). Better deal that way and you get the normal CC protections on the purchase.
Best redemption strategy for UR points is transferring to travel partners. Worst case scenario is redeeming via pay yourself back at the same rate as this deal (b/c it's literally a credit). Buying something from Chase gives up the vendor return policy and booking travel through the portal for 50% bump is fine if nothing goes wrong but a veritable NIGHTMARE when things DO go wrong. (To pre-empt the response to this, I understand some of you have used the portal with no issue. I did for years. Things don't go wrong until they do. And when they do, you will spend dozens of hours trying to recover your points. You'll wait on hold for 4 hours and then get hung up on. They'll tell you to wait a billing cycle or two and then nothing will happen. They'll send you to the airline who will send you back to Chase. They'll eventually issue a refund that will get lost in the ether because it gets refunded to Chase and not your card if you booked with points. Chase will again tell you to wait 1-2 billing cycles. Rinse and repeat.)
This is not the same portal as a few years ago, Chase took it over and outsourced everything and now it's complete trash. Booking direct is the way to go these days. Use your UR points to transfer to travel partners.
That said, even that redemption rate isn't universal, is better to redeem via PYB where it's a straight credit and not purchasing an item from Chase as opposed to from the vendor (like Apple) directly. Chase as the retailer is not a great choice.
Also I'll say this: if you don't want to deal with the complexity of airline redemption or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, you should strongly consider not holding a premium travel card. It will save your sanity.
That said, even that redemption rate is better redeemed via PYB where it's a straight credit and not purchasing an item from Chase as opposed to from the vendor (like Apple) directly, which is preferable.
Also I'll say this: if you don't want to deal with the complexity of airline redemption or don't travel frequently enough to benefit from it, you should strongly consider not holding a premium travel card. It will save your sanity.
I would argue that the order of redemption 'best case' scenarios would be:
1) Travel Partner Point Transfer (again, if it makes sense for the individual and what you are transferring to, as it isn't worth it in some cases like hotels). Possibly >1.5c/p.
2) Pay Yourself Back. 1.5c/p
3) 50% Bonus Redemption 'Deals' like this one. Slightly <1.5c/p when calculating loss of earning potential.
4) Anything else that give you the normal 1c/p redemption value (or less).
I've had the CSR card since inception. In fact, I was probably one of the first people to sign up, as I found the link before it went public (posting it here in fact, which eventually became FP after SD figured out how to monetize it....). It's by far my favorite card. And while I don't travel as much as I used to (different job role), I still have no plans to replace it since I still find value in it, though the AF going from $450->$550 definitely hurt the numbers a bit. When you factor in the $300 AF credit for *ANY* travel related expenses, which almost anyone would qualify for, it brings the AF down to really $250. Adding in the TSA/GE credit (~$20/year), Priority Pass, better CC protections like primary rental insurance, better point earning/redemption options (up to 4.5% back), etc., I would consider it to still be a very viable card even for people who don't travel extensively. Granted if you don't travel at all, there is zero point in having this card, but even the occasional traveler can benefit from it.
And again, while I agree that properly planned travel partner point transfers can definitely give you the most bang for the point (close to 3c/p in some cases), that isn't universal, may not benefit everyone, and requires more familiarity with how that all works. Especially when you get into the more advanced scenarios of transferring to third party airlines for partner airline redemptions. And it isn't always as good as it was with the way some airlines have nerf'd their programs, or you really only get >1.5c/p if you redeem for business class travel. Some travel partner point transfers will get you <1.5c/p. So for people who don't want to deal with that, or their travel requirements don't net a better value, the PYB 1.5% guaranteed redemption is definitely a great benefit of the CSR.
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