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At Staples - APC® Back-UPS 450VA 6-outlet battery backup and surge protector for $39.99 - from Nov. 20 - Nov. 26

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At Staples - APC® Back-UPS 450VA 6-outlet battery backup and surge protector for $39.99 - Nov. 20 - Nov. 26

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Nov 18, 2022 04:03 AM
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kilimarNov 18, 2022 04:03 AM
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Man there are no Surge Protection specifications that I could find for this device other than 180J (I think). No VPR/Clamping, MCOV/RMS, response time, etc. Couldn't even find the model listed on UL's website.
Nov 19, 2022 04:16 PM
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Quote from kilimar :
Man there are no Surge Protection specifications that I could find for this device other than 180J (I think). No VPR/Clamping, MCOV/RMS, response time, etc. Couldn't even find the model listed on UL's website.
Not sure if this is helpful:

https://www.apc.com/us/en/product...s-2-surge/
Nov 22, 2022 06:44 PM
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cheshirecatNov 22, 2022 06:44 PM
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I'd guess this is not enough to use with a NAS to help it shutdown gracefully without data loss?
No shutdown signal link?
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Nov 22, 2022 06:48 PM
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Nov 22, 2022 06:48 PM
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Quote from cheshirecat :
I'd guess this is not enough to use with a NAS to help it shutdown gracefully without data loss?
No shutdown signal link?
Put a raspberry pi and poll a smart switch, if it's not reachable send msg to NAS
Nov 22, 2022 06:54 PM
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cheshirecatNov 22, 2022 06:54 PM
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"Battery Type Lead-Acid battery"

Damn, didn't realize they use those in home UPS products.

You better hope it doesn't leak. Big Grin
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Nov 23, 2022 07:43 PM
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VioletFlag794Nov 23, 2022 07:43 PM
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Half load runtime time seems to be approx 5 mins https://www.apc.com/us/en/product...ts-2-surge
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Quote from cheshirecat :
"Battery Type Lead-Acid battery"

Damn, didn't realize they use those in home UPS products.

You better hope it doesn't leak. Big Grin
I got one last year and so far its holding up well.
Nov 24, 2022 04:26 PM
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cheshirecatNov 24, 2022 04:26 PM
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Quote from Thinker :
I got one last year and so far its holding up well.
That was my ignorance of the matter. Many of them (most?) are actually lead and acid.

Upon researching the topic though (wanted a UPS for a home server) I discovered that even the top-rated 1500VA Sinewave units, from both APC and CyberPower, have issues with fire hazard, foul smell, annoying high-pitched noise (probably coil whine), etc.

Literally the top rated models.

I don't know what to buy now. The thought of an acid-lead battery catching fire is not reassuring.
Nov 24, 2022 04:28 PM
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Billybob_TXNov 24, 2022 04:28 PM
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Thanks OP!
Nov 24, 2022 06:07 PM
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HunterXYNov 24, 2022 06:07 PM
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Quote from cheshirecat :
That was my ignorance of the matter. Many of them (most?) are actually lead and acid.

Upon researching the topic though (wanted a UPS for a home server) I discovered that even the top-rated 1500VA Sinewave units, from both APC and CyberPower, have issues with fire hazard, foul smell, annoying high-pitched noise (probably coil whine), etc.

Literally the top rated models.

I don't know what to buy now. The thought of an acid-lead battery catching fire is not reassuring.
Lead acid catching fire is not something you should worry about. It's lithium catching fire that should worry you. They straight up explode when they get too hot. Lead acid does not. With that said, every electronic device has the ability to start a fire if it's not properly built, or not properly wired in your home, your home is also a big culprit for starting fires if the wiring is old and overloaded. You could start a fire daisy chaining power strip together etc unsafely. This is why new electrical code has GFCIs and AFCIs every where. They help prevent these incidents. You could always install one to the outlet you plug the UPS into for an extra precaution.
Nov 25, 2022 04:59 PM
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adaltaNov 25, 2022 04:59 PM
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Quote from cheshirecat :
That was my ignorance of the matter. Many of them (most?) are actually lead and acid.

Upon researching the topic though (wanted a UPS for a home server) I discovered that even the top-rated 1500VA Sinewave units, from both APC and CyberPower, have issues with fire hazard, foul smell, annoying high-pitched noise (probably coil whine), etc.

Literally the top rated models.

I don't know what to buy now. The thought of an acid-lead battery catching fire is not reassuring.
Quote from cheshirecat :
That was my ignorance of the matter. Many of them (most?) are actually lead and acid.

Upon researching the topic though (wanted a UPS for a home server) I discovered that even the top-rated 1500VA Sinewave units, from both APC and CyberPower, have issues with fire hazard, foul smell, annoying high-pitched noise (probably coil whine), etc.

Literally the top rated models.

I don't know what to buy now. The thought of an acid-lead battery catching fire is not reassuring.
We've never had problems with our desktop or server UPS batteries. All have been lead-acid. The last few years, more lithium batteries are used in UPS systems but you'll pay more.

https://www.serverroomenvironment...-solutions
Nov 25, 2022 05:23 PM
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cheshirecatNov 25, 2022 05:23 PM
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Quote from HunterXY :
Lead acid catching fire is not something you should worry about. It's lithium catching fire that should worry you. They straight up explode when they get too hot. Lead acid does not. With that said, every electronic device has the ability to start a fire if it's not properly built, or not properly wired in your home, your home is also a big culprit for starting fires if the wiring is old and overloaded. You could start a fire daisy chaining power strip together etc unsafely. This is why new electrical code has GFCIs and AFCIs every where. They help prevent these incidents. You could always install one to the outlet you plug the UPS into for an extra precaution.
I did see people on reddit and in reviews on Amazon how some units caught fire and sulfuric acid was vaporized in the air. Sounds dangerous. :/

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