FRAM Ultra Synthetic Automotive Replacement Car Oil Filter w/ SureGrip (XG7317) Expired

Right but you could consider that with an Ultra you can go every other OC on the filter change so now your equivalent cost per filter is 3.25 which is prob cheaper than the Supertechs and whatever cheapest filters are on the shelf. It's like spending more for a good quality shirt that lasts twice as long and looks better every single time you wear it...the net cost is the same but the product performance is better so it is ultimately better value. In this case you would get higher quality filtration and product performance for the same price

UH OH! Get ready to be blasted for doing 3k oil changes.

It's just such an arbitrary statement, that's all. If the FILTER is capable of FILTERING OUT all the nasties that you are worried about getting in your "clean oil" then all of that "dirty" will stay in the filter. If the "dirty" just runs out of the filter and keeps going round and round in your oil and thus your "clean" oil is now "dirty" then the filter isn't being a filter. The whole point of the filter is to "clean" the oil. You're choosing to use a filter that is inferior in terms of its ability to filter out contaminants, but feeling good because you're changing it often. Your system will have more contaminants running around in the oil, by definition, than someone who is using a better quality filter and running it twice. Only if the filter got SO FULL that it was literally caked up with gunk and thus the oil was triggering the bypass valve, would there be a problem, but someone running a 20K-rated filter for 2 X 5000 miles intervals is not going to have that issue.

I'll concede that I don't know how particulates are being handled by the filter media. However, when I see how dirty the oil is when I drain it at change time, I can't help but think that the filter is at LEAST as dirty. Why even expose your clean oil to that? Filters for the most part are inexpensive. Especially the SuperTech ones.
I've watched quite a few tear downs of the Supertech's on Youtube and they punch far above their price point. IMO.

I'll concede that I don't know how particulates are being handled by the filter media. However, when I see how dirty the oil is when I drain it at change time, I can't help but think that the filter is at LEAST as dirty. Why even expose your clean oil to that? Filters for the most part are inexpensive. Especially the SuperTech ones.
I've watched quite a few tear downs of the Supertech's on Youtube and they punch far above their price point. IMO.

Ok let me lay it down again. And I am not a "tribologist" but maybe someone here is, so forgive me. I am operating on my common sense along with some Googling.

The oil gets very black, while my Fram Ultra and/or your Supertech are running all of the oil through the filter media. How can this be? Wouldn't the oil come out perfectly amber golden brown like when you poured it out of the jug? No, because that black is from things like soot. The Fram Ultra reports on its website 99+ efficiency and when you look at the footnote that is measured for filtering objects 20 microns or greater. I see that soot particles are often .01 to .05 microns....tiny!....even if they clump together into larger particles those particles are like 1 micron or something, so 20 times smaller than what the "net" of the filter is catching. So that stuff just passes through the filter and goes around the system. But that is one of the functions of oil in the first place...to hold that soot in suspension and lubricate the system, so that soot doesn't build up in the channels in the engine. When you empty the oil, that soot comes out as it is held in the oil. NOTE that when you drain the oil, there is going to be a coating of that BLACK oil all throughout the engine....so you are immediately going to have some black oil mix in with your new oil as soon as you start the car the first time, whether you change the filter or not. There is just going to be a little more of the black oil held in the filter if you don't change it, but changing the filter doesn't eliminate black oil clinging all throughout the rest of the engine.

I didn't look closely but those Supertechs are made by Champion Labs, and rated 10,000 miles which seems pretty good (not 20,000 like these Ultras, but 10,000 is pretty good). They also advertise 99% efficiency. So probably a fine filter too.

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Ok let me lay it down again. And I am not a "tribologist" but maybe someone here is, so forgive me. I am operating on my common sense along with some Googling.

The oil gets very black, while my Fram Ultra and/or your Supertech are running all of the oil through the filter media. How can this be? Wouldn't the oil come out perfectly amber golden brown like when you poured it out of the jug? No, because that black is from things like soot. The Fram Ultra reports on its website 99+ efficiency and when you look at the footnote that is measured for filtering objects 20 microns or greater. I see that soot particles are often .01 to .05 microns....tiny!....even if they clump together into larger particles those particles are like 1 micron or something, so 20 times smaller than what the "net" of the filter is catching. So that stuff just passes through the filter and goes around the system. But that is one of the functions of oil in the first place...to hold that soot in suspension and lubricate the system, so that soot doesn't build up in the channels in the engine. When you empty the oil, that soot comes out as it is held in the oil. NOTE that when you drain the oil, there is going to be a coating of that BLACK oil all throughout the engine....so you are immediately going to have some black oil mix in with your new oil as soon as you start the car the first time, whether you change the filter or not. There is just going to be a little more of the black oil held in the filter if you don't change it, but changing the filter doesn't eliminate black oil clinging all throughout the rest of the engine.

I didn't look closely but those Supertechs are made by Champion Labs, and rated 10,000 miles which seems pretty good (not 20,000 like these Ultras, but 10,000 is pretty good). They also advertise 99% efficiency. So probably a fine filter too.

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$6.46 S&S still showing as an option when I click onto the Amazon page for this item

Hey I have bought these for years from Amazon. The Chinese are not doing counterfeit Fram oil filters for 7 dollars. This is not Airpods and Rolexes it is an oil filter

They are indeed doing counter fit oil filters. YouTube it and thecarcarnut guy cuts one open and it's 2/10 the density of what a oem one should be. So don't assume they won't lol. I even bought two fake ones that were supposed to be mann filter mediums for 13.50. They counter fitting 13.50 filters now smh

Because oil changes are the most important thing you can do for your car, and a DIY oil change is inexpensive. Sure, oil and filter breakdown depends on how and where you drive, how often you drive, and one very overlooked part no one has mentioned in this discussion - a clean air filter. I prefer to have the oil and filter at their top level of protection, no matter what. It's cheap and easy.