The issue you're experiencing has little to do with the stack height. You should see the stack height for the kinvara coming in 2023.
The kinvara is a low drop shoe (4mm). Lower drop is going to put more load and effort onto other muscles, namely your calves. If you aren't working all the muscles in your legs and feet as part of your routine, you will likely have your symptoms.
Some people prefer the lower drop and low weight of the kinvara like my spouse. She can't stand shoes with 8mm or more drop.
Lower drop isn't for everyone, probably means you need to work them into your rotation more slowly to avoid injury.
Good price. Too many shoe deals this past few months...I must resist
Yup, I currently have 6 pairs Saucony in closet ( triumph 19 (2), Endo pro 2,Endo speed2, ride14 (2)
With 1 Endo speed2,1 triumph 19, 1 ride14 in rotation. ( 3hoka too!). I run minimum 55 miles+ to high 80s miles per week here.
Can't buy anymore till 2024 lol
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Here's a short story. For the past 5 years I have been running in max stability shoes. But I don't think I actually needed the guidance my HOKA Gaviota provided. There was evidence, such as lateral dominant outsole wear, that suggested that I was supinating in these stability shoes.
So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
Got a saucony on an earlier deal.usually wear size 10 on other brands , but this size 10 was tight . For returns they charge 5 dollars . Thinking of asking for exchange
Here's a short story. For the past 5 years I have been running in max stability shoes. But I don't think I actually needed the guidance my HOKA Gaviota provided. There was evidence, such as lateral dominant outsole wear, that suggested that I was supinating in these stability shoes.
So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
This is why a lot of runners rotate between many different types of shoes. Try the kinvaras for a very short run and see if you have the pain.
This is why a lot of runners rotate between many different types of shoes. Try the kinvaras for a very short run and see if you have the pain.
My first and only run was 5-6km. Perhaps, I'll try again with a 1km run and build from there. Already considered this gradualistic approach. Only reason I haven't tried it is fear that another reoccurrence of stiffness and muscle fatigue could sideline for me for a week. That layoff really sucked.
Got a saucony on an earlier deal.usually wear size 10 on other brands , but this size 10 was tight . For returns they charge 5 dollars . Thinking of asking for exchange
For Saucony shoes you always order a half size larger.
Here's a short story. For the past 5 years I have been running in max stability shoes. But I don't think I actually needed the guidance my HOKA Gaviota provided. There was evidence, such as lateral dominant outsole wear, that suggested that I was supinating in these stability shoes.
So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
The issue you're experiencing has little to do with the stack height. You should see the stack height for the kinvara coming in 2023.
The kinvara is a low drop shoe (4mm). Lower drop is going to put more load and effort onto other muscles, namely your calves. If you aren't working all the muscles in your legs and feet as part of your routine, you will likely have your symptoms.
Some people prefer the lower drop and low weight of the kinvara like my spouse. She can't stand shoes with 8mm or more drop.
Lower drop isn't for everyone, probably means you need to work them into your rotation more slowly to avoid injury.
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The kinvara is a low drop shoe (4mm). Lower drop is going to put more load and effort onto other muscles, namely your calves. If you aren't working all the muscles in your legs and feet as part of your routine, you will likely have your symptoms.
Some people prefer the lower drop and low weight of the kinvara like my spouse. She can't stand shoes with 8mm or more drop.
Lower drop isn't for everyone, probably means you need to work them into your rotation more slowly to avoid injury.
With 1 Endo speed2,1 triumph 19, 1 ride14 in rotation. ( 3hoka too!). I run minimum 55 miles+ to high 80s miles per week here.
Can't buy anymore till 2024 lol
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Yup, I currently have 6 pairs Saucony in closet ( triumph 19 (2), Endo pro 2,Endo speed2, ride14 (2)
With 1 Endo speed2,1 triumph 19, 1 ride14 in rotation. ( 3hoka too!). I run minimum 55 miles+ to high 80s miles per week here.
Can't buy anymore till 2024 lol
So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
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So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
This is why a lot of runners rotate between many different types of shoes. Try the kinvaras for a very short run and see if you have the pain.
My first and only run was 5-6km. Perhaps, I'll try again with a 1km run and build from there. Already considered this gradualistic approach. Only reason I haven't tried it is fear that another reoccurrence of stiffness and muscle fatigue could sideline for me for a week. That layoff really sucked.
For Saucony shoes you always order a half size larger.
So back in October purchased a pair of Kinvara 12. Went for one run in them. I felt good during the run but afterwards I noticed significant stiffness and soreness in my lower right leg just behind the ankle bone and extending up 3-4 inches along the medial calf or soleus area. I have never experienced this type of pain and stiffness in my right side before. The stiffness only grew worse as the night drew to a close. By bedtime I was practically limping around after icing and applying a compression ankle sleeve. The next morning my lower leg and ankle was super stiff and tender to the touch. This stiffness and soreness persisted for about 6 days. Couldn't run during that time and walking felt unpleasant. On my next run I switched back to the HOKA stability shoe and was able to run pain free. The soreness was still there after that run but it faded away over the following 2 days.
My particular feet seem to benefit from a rigid midsole that has a rocker shape. The HOKA provides that. The Kinvara does not. Since this experiment with the Kinvara I have since purchased the Asics EvoRide, a neutral shoe which has a stiff rocker, and a Brooks Caldera 6, which has a thick and relatively inflexible rocker-shaped midsole. Neither shoe has aggravated the tendons or muscles in my lower legs.
My question for fellow runners is my experience with the Kinvara indicative of a biomechanical incapability between me and the Kinvara or are my deep leg muscles that control foot motion and ankle flexion simply atrophied from being babied by high stack rocker shaped shoes?
The kinvara is a low drop shoe (4mm). Lower drop is going to put more load and effort onto other muscles, namely your calves. If you aren't working all the muscles in your legs and feet as part of your routine, you will likely have your symptoms.
Some people prefer the lower drop and low weight of the kinvara like my spouse. She can't stand shoes with 8mm or more drop.
Lower drop isn't for everyone, probably means you need to work them into your rotation more slowly to avoid injury.