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I've posted this before when the rate was lower, but Savebetter.com increased their no penalty Sallie Mae CD to 4.40%. I cancelled my old one and opened a new one.

Savebetter.com has a No penalty CD @ 4.40% APY. You can break this CD anytime after 30 days. With Fed Reserve increasing rates, CDs in the near future will pay better. So lock in 4.4% for now; if you find a better higher earning CD in the future, break it and lock in. There's no minimum and FDIC insured to $250,000. For the bond heads that prefer treasury bonds, the comparable 1 month fed treasury yield is 4.17%, so this yields higher and offers a guaranteed return for longer if you choose to keep it. I haven't found a better rate out there that doesn't lock in your money for a longer period.

For people that want a higher earning CD they also offer a regular 27 mo CD @ 5% APY.
https://www.savebetter.com/cd-acc...y-cd-rates

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jnads
01-05-2023 at 09:19 AM.
01-05-2023 at 09:19 AM.
Quote from shinseiryuu :
I very much appreciate all of your folks' explanations and input. I'm learning a lot as a newbie - thanks to all of you for taking the time Smilie Reps all around!
One thing that is relevant to understanding everything that I left out, is that when you buy a treasury, you are locking in that interest rate.

It's a fixed-interest bond, so that's why a treasury can be worth less in resale than it's current accrued interest.

Conversely, it also can be worth more in resale than its accrued interest value if interest rates go down.


At any rate, I wouldn't buy more than 3 or 6 month since the Fed has indicated they still plan on raising rates, albeit more slowly. In 3 or 6 months you'll be able to roll the money into a new TBill at a better rate.

Ultimately none of that is an issue if you just hold it to term and collect your $1000.
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if200
01-05-2023 at 10:15 AM.
01-05-2023 at 10:15 AM.
Quote from mark66 :
Schwab is 4.2673% according to their site as of yesterday. Yahoo link may be outdated.

I checked Fidelity and Schwab MM. Fidelity seem to have more tbills/t-bonds while schwab seem to have commercial bonds also in there. My suggestion is to review the portfolio holdings and make a decision based on the risk that you are comfortable with.

Today you can buy 8 week t-bills - around the same yield as swvxx and no state tax. Not sure if next week will have 13/26 week which may offer upto 4.7%. Also, if fed increases rates by 0.25-0.5% in the next meeting, it may make sense to ladder the t-bills based on maturity/yield. You can review the tbill rate trend using treasury link [treasury.gov].
Might have to open a fidelity account for the flexibility. They don't allow you to buy the other companies MM funds on Schwab. When I look at today's auction for 8 week T-bills it looks like it's too late to buy them today.
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mark66
01-05-2023 at 10:58 AM.
01-05-2023 at 10:58 AM.
Quote from if200 :
Might have to open a fidelity account for the flexibility. They don't allow you to buy the other companies MM funds on Schwab. When I look at today's auction for 8 week T-bills it looks like it's too late to buy them today.
Usually it is better to buy on wednesday for 4/8 weeks tbill since auction is on thursday (and have money available in account by next tuesday, I think)

Since schwab and Fidelity are competitors, they may not allow each others funds without a commission. But I feel schwab offers more mutual funds from other fund companies(not MM mutual funds, but other stock/bond funds) without commission and often with lower minimums.

Other option may be to buy the tbills from treasurydirect if you already have an account there, but it may be much easier to manage with Fidelity or Schwab.
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mangaza
01-05-2023 at 07:36 PM.
01-05-2023 at 07:36 PM.
4.45% APY 12-month at bask bank
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01-06-2023 at 10:18 PM.
01-06-2023 at 10:18 PM.
I bought 30 day for 4.2%. I feel like rates will still rise. I have CD's all due this year, Tranches of $10-$50k, Not locking for 90 days or longer until I see 5-6%
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01-07-2023 at 03:10 PM.
01-07-2023 at 03:10 PM.
Quote from TidalWaveOne :
Amazing there hasn't been a collapse yet especially with all the interest the gov't has to pay on their debt now...

Moving funds to a new Fidelity brokerage account from my savings so I can take advantage of the higher rates of Treasury bills...
The government's treasury direct site did crash in the last final days of those 9%+ i-bonds from last fall
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SlickPat
01-07-2023 at 04:36 PM.
01-07-2023 at 04:36 PM.
Quote from mark66 :
MM funds are usually not FDIC insured. However, MM funds are expected to retain the face value of $1. It is rare for MM funds to "break the buck" - i.e. go below $1 face value. You should check the prospectus for SWVXX if you need more details about the portfolio and be comfortable with the risks before investing. Usually they hold low risk investments like treasuries and CDs and may be some commercial bonds as well.

https://www.schwabassetmanagement...ucts/swvxx
Thanks for your reply, Mark66!

This has been a very useful thread. I am reading up more to learn more.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

Unused funds in FCASH account are FDIC up tp $250k.

Brokered CDs are FDIC by the issuing bank up to $250k per account per issuing bank.

Unlimited T-bills can bought and guaranteed by the US Gov.

Did I miss anything. Still learning.

Will work on getting the 4 weeks n 8 weeks n 13 weeks to build a ladder starting next Tuesday announcement.

Thank you all for your post.!

I am learning and continue to learn.
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mark66
01-07-2023 at 06:03 PM.
01-07-2023 at 06:03 PM.
Quote from SlickPat :
Thanks for your reply, Mark66!

This has been a very useful thread. I am reading up more to learn more.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

Unused funds in FCASH account are FDIC up tp $250k.

Brokered CDs are FDIC by the issuing bank up to $250k per account per issuing bank.

Unlimited T-bills can bought and guaranteed by the US Gov.

Did I miss anything. Still learning.

Will work on getting the 4 weeks n 8 weeks n 13 weeks to build a ladder starting next Tuesday announcement.

Thank you all for your post.!

I am learning and continue to learn.
Not sure what the status of "FCASH" is. Is that the Fidelity cash position? Fidelity allows you to change your core position and use one of their treasury MM funds (in which case it will not be FDIC insured) and the last time I checked that gives 3.75% return (though not sure about state tax exemption). I am assuming the regular cash sweep pays very little interest and I haven't used that in a while with Fidelity.

That is one feature I wish Schwab had as the cash sweep account offers very little interest which forces you to keep selling the MM funds first to invest elsewhere (1 day turnaround) or have a margin account to cover the trades.

Tbills are backed by treasury.

I do have a question around treasury MM funds like fidelity Let us say 70% of the dividend is from US govt debt obligations, then will 70% od thae dividend exempted from state tax? I thought that type of exemption was there with Munis holding bonds from different states, I wasn't sure if the same could be done with these MM funds primarily holding US debt.

Here is another schwab fund with a lower yield - 3.91% - but seem to be holding mostly US govt or agency debt. This seems similar to Fidelity govt MM funds with similar yields. Wondering if the govt/agency part of the debt qualifies for state tax exemption and if so whether this is a better option than the other schwab fund with 4.27%, especially in states with higher tax rates.

https://www.schwabassetmanagement...ucts/snvxx
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01-07-2023 at 06:54 PM.
01-07-2023 at 06:54 PM.
Here are a few options from vanguard. Usually they have super-low expense ratios and hence better yield. But you will have to open an account with vanguard.

4.06% yield and most of it seem to be govt debt
https://investor.vanguard.com/inv...file/vusxx

4.22% yield
https://investor.vanguard.com/inv...file/vmfxx
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01-08-2023 at 11:42 AM.
01-08-2023 at 11:42 AM.
Rate looks good but the way it is structured involves five parties.

https://www.savebetter.com/how-it-works
https://dsusprd01pubassets.blob.c...mbined.pdf
  1. Customer
  2. Save Better
  3. Service Bank
  4. Product Bank
  5. Yodlee or GIACT
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01-10-2023 at 08:46 PM.
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Just doing the math, so $1000 in Tbills of about 4.2% after 8 weeks is about $6.46 right?
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if200
01-11-2023 at 11:55 AM.
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Found out that if you buy a money market with all treasury bills you are still taxed locally as it's all reported as interest income. Only tax free money markets are tax free and they are made up of municipal tax free bonds.

Also, on brokered CD's you are FDIC insured up to $250,000 per titled account (IRAS different than regular, business different than personal, etc.) but that total includes whether it is bought as a brokered CD or a CD directly from the bank.
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01-16-2023 at 04:17 PM.
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Quote from if200 :
Found out that if you buy a money market with all treasury bills you are still taxed locally as it's all reported as interest income. Only tax free money markets are tax free and they are made up of municipal tax free bonds.

Also, on brokered CD's you are FDIC insured up to $250,000 per titled account (IRAS different than regular, business different than personal, etc.) but that total includes whether it is bought as a brokered CD or a CD directly from the bank.

Joint accounts qualify for $500K, each owner insured for $250K.
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01-20-2023 at 08:17 AM.
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Quote from enzofxx :
Joint accounts qualify for $500K, each owner insured for $250K.
Very true but fyi, joint in a brokerage house is not the same as in a bank. You need two signatures for everything. Either party can not act independently so it depends on what you are looking for.
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01-27-2023 at 09:15 PM.
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Quote from mark66 :
MM funds are usually not FDIC insured. However, MM funds are expected to retain the face value of $1. It is rare for MM funds to "break the buck" - i.e. go below $1 face value. You should check the prospectus for SWVXX if you need more details about the portfolio and be comfortable with the risks before investing. Usually they hold low risk investments like treasuries and CDs and may be some commercial bonds as well.

https://www.schwabassetmanagement...ucts/swvxx
Do you know if you can buy Schwab or similar MM from TD acct , or have to wait until it transfers?
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