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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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Teslas are fun to drive. They have great range. They have the largest tablets. Maintenance is minimal.
They don't have great quality control. There isn't a truck option. The minimalist cabin isn't for everyone. The design language is getting a little old. The leather and other materials is a little below luxury cars. There are parts that are seemingly needlessly over engineered.
Using public chargers depends on what kind of charger it is:
Tesla ones just plug straight into the car, no HW needed
Public L2 ones require the J1772 adapter, which come with the car
Public, non-tesla, L3 ones (ie the faster of the non-tesla ones, though usually slower than the tesla ones) may require either a Chademo or CCS adapter. Tesla sells both types of adapters. That said- avoid these stations in favor of Tesla superchargers if you can- the Tesla ones are generally faster, cheaper, and much more reliably functional.
For charging at home, you won't get anything with the car that lets you do that- like Apple they stopped including chargers with each purchase some time ago. You can add a mobile charger as part of your order of the vehicle last I knew and it would ship seperately shortly before you delivery date.
If you didn't do that you'll need to order one from the website ($230 and includes plugs for both a normal US 120v and a 14-50 240v socket, with additional plugs sold separately)
tesla also has a wall charger but I've never seen value in it compared to the mobile one.... the wall charger is slightly faster, but not enough to matter to most folks (both are fast enough to fully charge on a 240v circuit overnight which is what most do).. and requires hardwiring, making it harder to take with you when you move and impossible to take with you on a road trip...AND it costs more than the mobile one.
(yes i just ordered a MYLR because of few incentives)
My Lexus IS350 had the sport package suspension... ride quality on my Tesla Model 3 is just about identical... though handling is noticeably better due to lower center of gravity on the EV.... plus obviously the acceleration is a ton better.
I suppose compared to an Lexus LS though it'd be a stiffer ride...but then that'd be more comparable in size and price to a Tesla Model S which offers air suspension.
Personally I care more about comfort and wear than "what other kind of seat they look like" but YMMV I suppose.
Fair point! I haven't owned a car without a garage in so long outdoor install hadn't even occurred to me.
I suppose compared to an Lexus LS though it'd be a stiffer ride...but then that'd be more comparable in size and price to a Tesla Model S which offers air suspension.
Never flown spirit so I can't say... but they are more comfortable, and look better 4+ years into sitting in them, than my Lexus "real" leather seats did.
Personally I care more about comfort and wear than "what other kind of seat they look like" but YMMV I suppose.
Fair point! I haven't owned a car without a garage in so long outdoor install hadn't even occurred to me.
It has everything to do with how convenient and safe the charging is.
I for one, don't except to ever charge ev in doors. And I dislike having to carefully drive the car in and out the garage (so I never use the space for parking)
and looking at my entire neighborhood (which has on average one Tesla each), half of them don't use the garage..i don't think I am the minority
Apparently I needed to add "to me"? Sorry figured that was fairly obvious. My apologies.
(2) Quality was perfect on mine- better than my Lexus.
That doesn't mean I don't still (and have in past threads about this) recommend new buyers take a quality checklist with them to delivery before accepting the car.
But then I ALSO did that when I picked up my Lexus (and again found MORE wrong with it from the factory than the Tesla).
If there's problems you don't think they can easily correct- reject the car. If there's problems you DO think they can easily correct, get the fact they will correct them in writing or reject the car.
You should do that picking up ANY car of ANY brand.
(3)
To be fair:
I said car.
Over a year ago NOBODY was delivering ANY EV truck at all
Even today there isn't a truck option for anybody unless you pre-ordered yours a year or more ago-- Rivian and Ford are both sold out for a long time ahead
Tesla is about to start building their own truck this year- also sold out years in advance
None of that really changes what I wrote though.
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...I guess? The only thing really "missing" from the cabin that my Lexus had was physical buttons though... and I can't really think of a time in years of driving the Tesla I actually missed having them. Most things set to auto do what you need, and voice commands work fantastically. The controls on the touch screen are vastly better and more responsive than in a Lexus.... not to mention how awful that goofy joystick control for the screen is on most Lexus vehicles in the last 10-15 years.
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When I was looking at a new IS350 after 11 years of owning mine I noticed they were still using literally the same engine. Other than slight bumper changes they'd made no real design changes to the gen Lexus I owned in the entire 8 years of its generation (the Tesla OTOH has several years before it's that old) and even when they DID move to next-gen on the Lexus they....made it heavier, slower, and uglier... so again this doesn't appear to change anything I wrote about the comparison.
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Granted it's only 4 years in- but the vegan leather in the Tesla looks newer, with less maintenance, than my Lexus did after 4 years FWIW--- the seats pretty much still look new, versus creases in the leather by now on the Lexus.
The door material does not "feel" quite as luxury, I'll give you that-- but how much time do you actually spend groping your door panels, compared to actually driving or otherwise operating the car which is a vastly better experience in the Tesla?
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...like what, specifically?
Because again the Lexus needed more actual maintenance, service visits, and recall visits by a lot, compared to the Tesla- and had a tremendously greater # of actual moving/could fail parts by design.
1. I could be projecting a bit onto you, so I apologize for that. I don't mean to put words in your mouth. However, I do think that you're threading the needle a little bit saying it's better in every way, even for you. For example, you mentioned that the Lexus EV range is a dealbreaker, presumably because you're going to need to find some electricity if you have a >200 mile trip. A Model Y LR has the same issue at 350 miles. The gas Lexus starts with 400 miles of range, and needs 10 minutes at a gas station to get 400 miles of range back.
2. Fair enough. Our Tesla is three weeks old and is fine. The panel gaps seem big to me but it could be in my head. I don't love the two carpeted boards that cover the storage wells in the back. I think it's weird that the seats in the Y are just the same as in the 3 but a couple inches higher. We keep getting a "camera is obstructed" warning too, not sure what's up with that. I'll grant that these issues are possible in any car.
3. This was me making an argument that you weren't making, disregard.
4. This is subjective I suppose. I drive a $25k Ford Maverick back and forth to work and I prefer the Carplay/physical button configuration to the 45 foot tablet in the Model Y. I know Telsa will offer OTA updates, but I think your complaint that the Tesla is vastly more responsive than your old Lexus kind of illustrates that locking the hardware in at the time the car is produced is a mistake.
5. I'm not going to argue that Toyota is on the bleeding edge with car design, but plenty of major manufacturers refresh their models every 4-6 years.
6. I can't speak to the longetivity of the Tesla seats, but over the past few years we've owned a Chevy SS and a new body style Ram 1500 w/ a Laramie trim. Both of those had seats with perforated real leather, and both felt superior to the Tesla.
7. The frameless convertible style doors. The door handles. I get that these things eliminate weight and make the car more aerodynamic, but how many extra miles are we really talking?
Plenty of things are also just changed for no meaningful reason. For the last 25 years of driving, I've been able to figure out and manipulate the cruise control within 2 minutes of getting into an unfamiliar car. I'm ashamed to say I haven't figured out how to adjust the speed in the Model Y yet.
Plenty of things are also just changed for no meaningful reason. For the last 25 years of driving, I've been able to figure out and manipulate the cruise control within 2 minutes of getting into an unfamiliar car. I'm ashamed to say I haven't figured out how to adjust the speed in the Model Y yet.
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1. I could be projecting a bit onto you, so I apologize for that. I don't mean to put words in your mouth. However, I do think that you're threading the needle a little bit saying it's better in every way, even for you. For example, you mentioned that the Lexus EV range is a dealbreaker, presumably because you're going to need to find some electricity if you have a >200 mile trip. A Model Y LR has the same issue at 350 miles.
But given 350>200 I don't see how "the tesla is better" is contradicted without even getting into the VASTLY better charging network for such trips the Tesla has available.
Better in both # of locations and speed of charging. By a lot.
Personally, (remember, this was a "for me" thing right?) I'm not gonna drive more than about 500 miles anyway.
Which leaving at 100%, and one 10-15 minute supercharger stop where I'd also be stopping to use a restroom or get drinks anyway, gets me in a Tesla.
So no real difference from a gas vehicle other than the driver assist system is better in the Tesla, and it cost me less to fuel those 500 miles.
That said- the Y second row seats ARE different depending on if you got the 3rd row option or not (and there is no 3rd row for the 3 so there's that).
Not sure either how that's relevant to better/worse than another brand... it's not like other car makers don't reuse various parts.
(FWIW the fact they can't clean themselves is one reason I'm dubious about anybody delivering a robotaxi anytime soon- Tesla included)
Every once in a while I'll see that message if one camera is perfectly angled directly into the sun, but it goes away in a few seconds as soon as the angle changes at all.
As in, if you own a 2012 Model S, you can pay Tesla some $ and they will swap in the same media computer that was in use 8 years later in the newer S/X/3/Y?
Good luck getting Lexus (or Ford) so do that for you.
But yes- OTA updates have ALSO improved the responsiveness of older HW in the past.
it's almost like "update the bumpers and trim" isn't as important to new buyers as "Make a functionally more compelling product" or something!
The fact legacy auto often has to "refresh" things like bumpers and trim because they have no actual innovation to present is exactly why their sales are shrinking in the face of actual market disrptuon.
See also Nokia.
Like, putting my fingertips on the leather lexus seats "felt" better than the Tesla ones.
But actually SITTING in the seats, the Tesla ones are more comfortable on long drives-- and as noted the material also doesn't visually show wear like the Lexus ones did.
Easier to clean too.
I agree with you on this regarding the self-presenting ones on the S though... but that's a ~100k vehicle.
Pretty much the same as I've adjusted it on any other brand of car for decades, other than having needed to look up if I use the left or right wheel, and the actual change being much smoother (on some cars for example it was an up/down toggle switch so you had to "hold" it up or down then release and hope you got the exact speed right... with the Tesla each notch of wheel scroll is 1mph, or you can quick-scroll for 5 mph jumps... much better and more precise.
It has everything to do with how convenient and safe the charging is.
I for one, don't except to ever charge ev in doors. And I dislike having to carefully drive the car in and out the garage (so I never use the space for parking)
and looking at my entire neighborhood (which has on average one Tesla each), half of them don't use the garage..i don't think I am the minority
I can't speak to your neighborhood specifically, but you're definitely in the minority in general.
https://www.homeinnovat
(yes i just ordered a MYLR because of few incentives)
-- If you don't need a car now, other traditional car companies will have bettrt electric car options with smaller gaps from Tesla in two years for sure.
-- if you need third row seats most time like me, Acura/Audi... all have better options with ICEs.
I am still struggling to decide to sell the 150k miles MDX or 50k miles GLE after taking the delivery of the Model Y. Or change Model Y to 7 seater or even just cancel the Y order.
Additionally, you can buy GC from your local grocery store with Chase Freedom or Discover for 5% on grocery. If you grocery store has gas station, you will also get fuel points and therefore saving you $ at the pump for your ICE cars.
I can't speak to your neighborhood specifically, but you're definitely in the minority in general.
https://www.homeinnovat
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here is the a more recent ones
https://www.garagelivin
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25% of people with 2-car garages don't park in them at all. A third can only park one car, largely due to garage clutter.
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while it is certainly not majority, but but 25 to 58 percent don't use the garage (or not fully, which mean some car is parted at drive way) is actually quite high.
but that point was for those who park EV outside, the wall charger is a better solution, and that doesn't necessary mean household without garage (i would actually argue that if one don't have its own drive way, then EV may not be the optimal solution as a major part of the charm is don't need to go to the gas station)
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