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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.
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I beg to differ. We followed Dave's advice and will retire with 5.5M in a diversified portfolio. I'm fairly confident we can manage money.
Also you can't pay for 80k in cars with a credit card. I tried. The dealerships only allow 5k at most and that's with a lot of begging and pleading. Been there done that.
My married friends follow Dave's advice. They do the "Cash envelopes" method but with debit cards. Each debit card with exactly the $ budgeted for a specific category. This seems more up-to-date than carrying cash around.
iQ Credit Union was running a 11 month CD @ 4.0%, and just bumped it up to 4.75% -- I know that there are some different factors that play into rates, but it appears that CD rates may not have peaked.
A 12 day note was paying 4.6 some percent today. It matures on 2/28, same day they announce another 4 week T Bill.
Anyways, the interest rates may fall into the 3's sometime this year because Fed said that inflation seems to be doing down.
Best to lock rates for longer terms now. The Fed farm credit loan is giving 5.6% on a 7 year bond. It's a great rate with relatively low risk. Not state tax protected but good investment to buy in a Roth.
If the federal government actually defaults on treasuries, then there are really much bigger problems for you to worry about, as any dollar-denominated assets would be put at risk. Keep in mind that the treasury can literally print additional money to make these payments. For all of the posturing that happens every year or two on the debt limit, no one in finance takes the threat of default seriously.
Exactly, and all default technically means is that the borrower missed a payment date. If the US defaults and people panic and sell I am buying everything I can as there is no way they won't make you whole again - if they don't it means the government was literally wiped out.
So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
the t bill is a bond, right? its price can also fluctuate conversely with the rate, no? never learned t bills yet just stocks funds and options
So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
Treasury Bills (or T-Bills for short) are a short-term financial instrument that is issued by the US Treasury with maturity periods ranging from a few days up to 52 weeks (one year). They are considered among the safest investments since they are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Government.
My wife happens to be talking to their customer service. I don't know why anybody in their right mind (that includes my wife) will keep an account with them. She is on the 3rd agent and they are all clueless and just asking her to do stuff on website and directing her to links that don't exist.
it's a CD, once it's in, you shouldn't even need to deal with them again until it's time to cash out. It's not a situation where you need to be in constant contact and get customer service often. just look for a legit bank with a good rate, and you should be good to go.
My wife happens to be talking to their customer service. I don't know why anybody in their right mind (that includes my wife) will keep an account with them. She is on the 3rd agent and they are all clueless and just asking her to do stuff on website and directing her to links that don't exist.
I also had pretty awful experience with their customer service, mainly due to language issues. I noticed probability of getting US based customer service increases when you call them in late morning/afternoon. I could be wrong. Once I got hold of US based agent, it was smooth sailing.
the t bill is a bond, right? its price can also fluctuate conversely with the rate, no? never learned t bills yet just stocks funds and options
As rates go up, existing treasuries see their price go down so that their returns match current rates. As rates go down, existing treasuries see their price go up.
I have the Capital One Quicksilver credtcard,but nothing else with Capital One. Can a Capital One CD account be tied to a checking account with a different bank to transfer funds? Thanks for being helpful and patient with a banking newby.
Yes. Open a basic savings acct at cap. Fund it from your regular bank account. Then, in your cap acct, open and manage your cds.
I even have a small monthly move from my chase/boa accounts to cap so savings happen automatically.
Guys this might be a stupid question, I opened my Capital one CD with 1 dollar initial fund. Can I put more money into that CD with the same interest rate? If so how to do that? I don't see any transfer button in the CD account...
Usually not. The point of a CD is that your funds are locked for them and the rate is locked for you.
Treasury Bills (or T-Bills for short) are a short-term financial instrument that is issued by the US Treasury with maturity periods ranging from a few days up to 52 weeks (one year). They are considered among the safest investments since they are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Government.
Thanks for the info. Are there one in particular you would recommend looking into?
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
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Also you can't pay for 80k in cars with a credit card. I tried. The dealerships only allow 5k at most and that's with a lot of begging and pleading. Been there done that.
Anyways, the interest rates may fall into the 3's sometime this year because Fed said that inflation seems to be doing down.
Best to lock rates for longer terms now. The Fed farm credit loan is giving 5.6% on a 7 year bond. It's a great rate with relatively low risk. Not state tax protected but good investment to buy in a Roth.
Sorry, but I didn't get the question?
It's a good rate for very short term without tying your money into long term if that's what you need.
Exactly, and all default technically means is that the borrower missed a payment date. If the US defaults and people panic and sell I am buying everything I can as there is no way they won't make you whole again - if they don't it means the government was literally wiped out.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
the t bill is a bond, right? its price can also fluctuate conversely with the rate, no? never learned t bills yet just stocks funds and options
Isn't it always advantageous to have tbills vs cds since the interest is accrued over a much shorter period whereas cds are over the full term?
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
What is t-bill? Thanks
Yes. Open a basic savings acct at cap. Fund it from your regular bank account. Then, in your cap acct, open and manage your cds.
I even have a small monthly move from my chase/boa accounts to cap so savings happen automatically.
Usually not. The point of a CD is that your funds are locked for them and the rate is locked for you.
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Thanks for the info. Are there one in particular you would recommend looking into?