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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.
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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
I cant find any short term (<2month) Tbills at Fidelity. I was trying to avoid going thru treasurydirect but i guess is the only way
I just bought 4-week T-Bill with auction date of 2/23 at Fidelity.
The next auction for the 4-week T-Bill will not show up on Fidelity's page until the Announcement date of 2/28
so when interest rates start going down, break the rollover cycle and move into a cd?
at the end, you'll have 3 cd's at 13 weeks apart?
If you know that interest rates are going down and staying down, lock into a 5-year CD or a 20-year Treasury bond.
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
If you know that interest rates are going down and staying down, lock into a 5-year CD or a 20-year Treasury bond.
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
kinda easy to know.. the fed will start announcing interest rates drop with a forecast of future drops.
or are you saying something different?
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
Thank you for the link. I do not see an option for the 4 weeks, 8 weeks etc, treasury bills. I see the CD for longer duration.
You forgot one thing. Money does runs out as well as your body and possibly mental degradation from having lack of purpose. Where in USA means, your money will be zeroed out by Pharma Bros. If Wall Street doesn't get you, someone else will.
Money does not run out when you know how to save, invest appropriately, account for and insure yourself against unplanned emergencies, and spend within your means. It's really not that difficult.
As for the lack of purpose aspect, LOL, I'm beyond content with my contributions and that will only continue.
If you know that interest rates are going down and staying down, lock into a 5-year CD or a 20-year Treasury bond.
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
Longer term Treasury bonds are yielding 1% (or more) less than T-bills. No guarantee they move in lock step with the bills once the FED pivots. A CD will lock your rate, but its principal value doesn't increase if rates go down.
If you really knew (and nobody else did) when rates on Treasury bonds were going to fall then you could make some coin on it. (Good luck with that)
Longer term Treasury bonds are yielding 1% (or more) less than T-bills. No guarantee they move in lock step with the bills once the FED pivots. A CD will lock your rate, but its principal value doesn't increase if rates go down.
If you really knew (and nobody else did) when rates on Treasury bonds were going to fall then you could make some coin on it. (Good luck with that)
That's my point.
If I knew, I would be retired and living in Monte Carlo. :-)
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
i have a vanguard after tax brokerage acct. i plan on buying from here:
https://personal.vangua
so when interest rates start going down, break the rollover cycle and move into a cd?
at the end, you'll have 3 cd's at 13 weeks apart?
edit:
what's this about tbill auctions vs secondary market in the 'Treasuries' tab?
which should i pick?
i have a vanguard after tax brokerage acct. i plan on buying from here:
https://personal.vangua
so when interest rates start going down, break the rollover cycle and move into a cd?
at the end, you'll have 3 cd's at 13 weeks apart?
edit:
what's this about tbill auctions vs secondary market in the 'Treasuries' tab?
which should i pick?
i have a vanguard after tax brokerage acct. i plan on buying from here:
https://personal.vangua
so when interest rates start going down, break the rollover cycle and move into a cd?
at the end, you'll have 3 cd's at 13 weeks apart?
edit:
what's this about tbill auctions vs secondary market in the 'Treasuries' tab?
which should i pick?
The next auction for the 4-week T-Bill will not show up on Fidelity's page until the Announcement date of 2/28
at the end, you'll have 3 cd's at 13 weeks apart?
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
or are you saying something different?
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or are you saying something different?
they rose when the fed actually increased the interest rate.
from that, when the fed implements their first interest rate decrease and forecasts future decreases, i'm getting out of t-bills.
hm.. if interest rates drop, then bonds look attractive.
switch to a bond ladder?
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
https://www.treasurydir
As for the lack of purpose aspect, LOL, I'm beyond content with my contributions and that will only continue.
If we were that smart, we'd all be very rich.
If you really knew (and nobody else did) when rates on Treasury bonds were going to fall then you could make some coin on it. (Good luck with that)
Sign up for a Slickdeals account to remove this ad.
If you really knew (and nobody else did) when rates on Treasury bonds were going to fall then you could make some coin on it. (Good luck with that)
If I knew, I would be retired and living in Monte Carlo. :-)