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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.
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Fidelity is now showing a 12-mo. CD at 5.40%. That makes this Capital One deal even worse.
arent those callable meaning if interest rates drop within that year, your cd is cashed out?
of course odds of the fed interest rate dropping below today's rate of 4.75% is slim within 12months and virtually none if the next fed hike is .50%.
Fidelity is now showing a 12-mo. CD at 5.40%. That makes this Capital One deal even worse.
These don't seem to start until 03/17. Does that mean we can potentially wait until 03/16 to invest ? Just trying to understand how long these are available.
arent those callable meaning if interest rates drop within that year, your cd is cashed out?
of course odds of the fed interest rate dropping below today's rate of 4.75% is slim within 12months and virtually none if the next fed hike is .50%.
I'm not sure about that since I haven't purchased a new CD from Fidelity yet. But as you see in the link below, you can click on the link of the interest rate (although Fidelity may ask you to login when you do that).
These don't seem to start until 03/17. Does that mean we can potentially wait until 03/16 to invest ? Just trying to understand how long these are available.
That's true that you wouldn't start earning until the CD period begins. So you can invest that money elsewhere for a few days if you don't want it "wasted" until 3/17.
Had a horrible time trying to sign up with Capital One. A nightmare because they validate by cell phone number. Too much hassle and customer service was awful. Decided to go with Penfed 4.60 and NFCU.
Am i better off with higher cd rate or t bill if i am in Illinois that got 5% on state tax.
I am not a finance person.
Let's say you have $1000 to invest.
With this CD and assuming 5% APY for 12 months, you end up with ($1000 x 0.05) x 0.9505 = $47.525 interest after IL state income tax
If the T-Bill pays more than $47.525 in the same 12 months, you come out ahead.
I have now decided to double down on my original post of laddering 13 week t-bills. The rates continue to go up so I have decided that I am going to start buying 10k of the 13 week every 2 weeks. This way each month I have 20k coming back to me and will roll back into the new rates every 2 weeks vs 4.
Instead of having 3 13 week bills I will have 6. Based on the state tax savings and the increasing rates it is much more liquid and lucrative to do this.. Glad to see so many of you jumping in on this "almost" inflation neutralizer. 5%+ free is a no brainer. Happy investing all
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
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of course odds of the fed interest rate dropping below today's rate of 4.75% is slim within 12months and virtually none if the next fed hike is .50%.
of course odds of the fed interest rate dropping below today's rate of 4.75% is slim within 12months and virtually none if the next fed hike is .50%.
Let's say you have $1000 to invest.
With this CD and assuming 5% APY for 12 months, you end up with ($1000 x 0.05) x 0.9505 = $47.525 interest after IL state income tax
If the T-Bill pays more than $47.525 in the same 12 months, you come out ahead.
The most recent 8-week T-Bill was 4.937%
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You'd have to liquidate to cash and then buy the T-Bills.
You'd have to liquidate to cash and then buy the T-Bills.
Just cash I recently transferred from my old company
Thanks!! I'll have to research, many pages on this thread!
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Instead of having 3 13 week bills I will have 6. Based on the state tax savings and the increasing rates it is much more liquid and lucrative to do this.. Glad to see so many of you jumping in on this "almost" inflation neutralizer. 5%+ free is a no brainer. Happy investing all