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Lenovo - Legion Tower 5i Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i7-12700 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 - 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD - Black $999.99

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CPU: Intel i7 12700
GPU: RTX 3060 12GB
RAM 16GB DDR5 4800 MHz (expandable to 128GB)
PSU: ** 500W 100V - 240V
Wifi: Wireless AX
Bluetooth: 5.1
SSD: 256 GB
HDD: 1TB 7200 RPM


**Corrected PSU Wattage, BB website shows 650W but Lenovo Product Page [lenovo.com] shows 500W Thank you Dealstorm
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CPU: Intel i7 12700
GPU: RTX 3060 12GB
RAM 16GB DDR5 4800 MHz (expandable to 128GB)
PSU: ** 500W 100V - 240V
Wifi: Wireless AX
Bluetooth: 5.1
SSD: 256 GB
HDD: 1TB 7200 RPM


**Corrected PSU Wattage, BB website shows 650W but Lenovo Product Page [lenovo.com] shows 500W Thank you Dealstorm
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/leno...Id=6501814

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Model: Lenovo - Legion Tower 5i Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i7-12700 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 - 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD - Black

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Feb 9, 2023
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FeedMeAlmonds
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Was looking for a prebuilt. Will this run the Microsoft Flight Simulator well?
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kjvmartin
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Quote from FeedMeAlmonds :
Was looking for a prebuilt. Will this run the Microsoft Flight Simulator well?
That's a pretty broad question.

What resolution are you looking for?

I'd expect to play MSFS in FHD with medium settings to try and get a decent frame rate without stuttering. Absolutely not in QHD or VR. The CPU is good, at least. Not sure how well they will cool it, though.

My MSFS takes forever to load from an NVME. If you install your MSFS on this NVME drive, you will be pretty much out of space for anything else. If you install it on the HDD, loading times will be unacceptable. A solution would be to replace the HDD with a SATA SSD.

MSFS is one of the few games that will readily use up your computing resources to the fullest. Everything matters. Slight OC, 32 vs 16 ram, best GPU you can get. Everything is beneficial and will allow it to either run smoother or look better.
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Dealsprime440
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would bite with 1 tb ssd and 32 gb ddr5 memory!
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Quote from kjvmartin :
That's a pretty broad question.

What resolution are you looking for?

I'd expect to play MSFS in FHD with medium settings to try and get a decent frame rate without stuttering. Absolutely not in QHD or VR. The CPU is good, at least. Not sure how well they will cool it, though.

My MSFS takes forever to load from an NVME. If you install your MSFS on this NVME drive, you will be pretty much out of space for anything else. If you install it on the HDD, loading times will be unacceptable. A solution would be to replace the HDD with a SATA SSD.

MSFS is one of the few games that will readily use up your computing resources to the fullest. Everything matters. Slight OC, 32 vs 16 ram, best GPU you can get. Everything is beneficial and will allow it to either run smoother or look better.
Any recommendations of another machine that's within $400 of this one that would be better in performance?
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highlanderfil
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Speaking as an owner of one of the previous-ten Legion desktops, be very vigilant of expansion slots. My motherboard has no PCI-E slots whatsoever, except the ones taken up by a 2070.
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kjvmartin
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Quote from FeedMeAlmonds :
Any recommendations of another machine that's within $400 of this one that would be better in performance?
$1400?

Do you live near a MicroCenter?
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Quote from kjvmartin :
$1400?

Do you live near a MicroCenter?
No, Anchorage

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Quote from jdansk45 :
Looks like a decent deal. Any propreitary parts or are they all off-the-shelf?
I had the 11700k with 3070. Motherboard was proprietary and didn't support XMP ram. PSU was non-modular. Had pcie gen4 ssd and cooling was solid though.
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How old is the 3060 at this point? 4 years? Less?
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Quote from clinteastwood :
How old is the 3060 at this point? 4 years? Less?
Says it came out September 17, 2020.
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Quote from dealstorm :
I see Samsung in the parts list, with Hynix and Micron listed as substitutes. And Crucial (Micron) has a long list of compatible RAM for this SKU.

I'm not experienced with XMP and can see how not supporting this, if accurate, might limit the ability to fully utilize high-performance RAM, but I don't see how this limits RAM choices to what is only available new directly from Lenovo.
I'll try and keep it brief. JEDEC is the across the industry standard "plug and play" specs for RAM. This involves a standard voltage and a certain mhz range that's able to be reached. With DDR4 is rated up to 3200mhz, cas 22, at 1.2v. While I'm not as familiar with DDR5, I believe they are up to 6400mhz at 1.1v.

So the "high performance" ram achieves higher advertised numbers by overclocking - increasing volts - to get those bigger sexier numbers. You could tweak the volt, timings, clocks, of the RAM yourself in BIOS - but they also came up with profiles you can easily select to achieve the same result - which is XMP. Enable XMP in BIOS and BAM, you get those big sexy advertised numbers on your RAM.

Now the problem with Lenovo is that their proprietary mobo locks you out of messing with RAM volt, speed, clock, etc... and they also disable the nifty XMP feature. So now you're stuck with the plug and play JEDEC standard of RAM. Unless you use their compatible RAM selection that "they've tested" and endorsed. And just because you use the same manufacture, series, etc., unless it's a specific line they've sanctioned, then you're stuck with JEDEC performance. And of course their "tested" ram that you can only buy through Lenovo is astronomically priced against the equivalent market.

As an example, my Lenovo Legion 7 desktop came with DDR4 Kingston Hyper X Fury 3200 ram, cas 22, 1.2v - but the caveat is that they have a proprietary Lenovo part number. I can buy non Lenovo Kingston Hyper X Fury 3200 ram and it will only operate at JEDEC 2400mhz - at least the timings would be a bit lower. This is why proprietary pre builds gripe so many people.

Maybe some others here have better insight than me. Just my own personal experience.
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dealstorm
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Quote from jockovonred :
Memory upgrade max 32gb, 2 sticks only.
Source for this?
I believe there are 4 slots, two occupied.
Crucial claims 128GB max for this model.
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dealstorm
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Quote from kjvmartin :
My MSFS takes forever to load from an NVME. If you install your MSFS on this NVME drive, you will be pretty much out of space for anything else. If you install it on the HDD, loading times will be unacceptable. A solution would be to replace the HDD with a SATA SSD.
Or a larger NVME or a second NVME?
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jockovonred
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Quote from dealstorm :
Source for this?
I believe there are 4 slots, two occupied.
Crucial claims 128GB max for this model.
My mistake. Lenovo naming convention can be confusing.

This model is the DDR5 version which supports more memory and slots.

The older version is DDR4 with limitations.

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Quote from Enix82 :
I'll try and keep it brief. JEDEC is the across the industry standard "plug and play" specs for RAM. This involves a standard voltage and a certain mhz range that's able to be reached. With DDR4 is rated up to 3200mhz, cas 22, at 1.2v. While I'm not as familiar with DDR5, I believe they are up to 6400mhz at 1.1v.

So the "high performance" ram achieves higher advertised numbers by overclocking - increasing volts - to get those bigger sexier numbers. You could tweak the volt, timings, clocks, of the RAM yourself in BIOS - but they also came up with profiles you can easily select to achieve the same result - which is XMP. Enable XMP in BIOS and BAM, you get those big sexy advertised numbers on your RAM.

Now the problem with Lenovo is that their proprietary mobo locks you out of messing with RAM volt, speed, clock, etc... and they also disable the nifty XMP feature. So now you're stuck with the plug and play JEDEC standard of RAM. Unless you use their compatible RAM selection that "they've tested" and endorsed. And just because you use the same manufacture, series, etc., unless it's a specific line they've sanctioned, then you're stuck with JEDEC performance. And of course their "tested" ram that you can only buy through Lenovo is astronomically priced against the equivalent market.

As an example, my Lenovo Legion 7 desktop came with DDR4 Kingston Hyper X Fury 3200 ram, cas 22, 1.2v - but the caveat is that they have a proprietary Lenovo part number. I can buy non Lenovo Kingston Hyper X Fury 3200 ram and it will only operate at JEDEC 2400mhz - at least the timings would be a bit lower. This is why proprietary pre builds gripe so many people.

Maybe some others here have better insight than me. Just my own personal experience.
Thanks for the explanation. Although I don't understand how the motherboard supports higher performance RAM but only their higher performance RAM.

I'm not versed in this area and wondering how much difference this makes in various real world applications.

It's interesting that the datasheet does list "DDR5-XMP-RGB" as one of several types of RAM that presumably vary by configuration, with a footnote "to be available in 2022."

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