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18TB WD Gold Enterprise Class SATA Hard Drive

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Western Digital has select WD Gold Enterprise Class SATA Hard Drives on sale for the prices listed. Shipping is free.

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    Features:
    • Quality and reliability with up to 2.5M hours MTBF(3) to help you store your data with confidence. | (3) MTBF and AFR: Projected values for model number WD221KRYZ and WD202KRYZ. Final MTBF and AFR specifications will be based on a sample population and are estimated by statistical measurements and acceleration algorithms under typical operating conditions, workload 220TB/year and device temperature 40°C. Derating of MTBF and AFR will occur above these parameters, up to 550TB writes per year and 60°C device temp. MTBF and AFR ratings do not predict an individual drive's reliability and do not constitute a warranty.
    • Specifically designed for use in enterprise-class storage systems and data centers.
    • Improve performance with our vibration protection technology.
    • HelioSeal technology delivers high capacities with a low power draw (12TB & up)

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    Western Digital has select WD Gold Enterprise Class SATA Hard Drives on sale for the prices listed. Shipping is free.

    Thanks to Staff Member f12_26 and Community Member MistaClean for posting this deal.

    Available:Amazon has select WD Gold Enterprise Class SATA Hard Drive on sale for the prices listed. Shipping is free.

    Available:Newegg has select WD Gold Enterprise Class SATA Hard Drive on sale for the prices listed. Shipping is free.

    Available:
      Features:
      • Quality and reliability with up to 2.5M hours MTBF(3) to help you store your data with confidence. | (3) MTBF and AFR: Projected values for model number WD221KRYZ and WD202KRYZ. Final MTBF and AFR specifications will be based on a sample population and are estimated by statistical measurements and acceleration algorithms under typical operating conditions, workload 220TB/year and device temperature 40°C. Derating of MTBF and AFR will occur above these parameters, up to 550TB writes per year and 60°C device temp. MTBF and AFR ratings do not predict an individual drive's reliability and do not constitute a warranty.
      • Specifically designed for use in enterprise-class storage systems and data centers.
      • Improve performance with our vibration protection technology.
      • HelioSeal technology delivers high capacities with a low power draw (12TB & up)

      Editor's Notes

      Written by johnny_miller | Staff
      • About this product:
        • Rating of 4.6 from over 2,300 Amazon customer reviews.
      • About this store:
      • Additional Note:

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      Written by f12_26 | Staff

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      brajalle
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      Gold = 5yr warranty, 2.5million hrs MTBF (12tb+), 7200rpm, potentially better support/returns, a bit louder than Red Plus (36 dBa seek vs 29dBa seek @14tb), power in comparison isn't quite rated the same as the others (12tb+ has Helium for lower power though, not found on other drives), the 20/22tb drives have some extra features (OptiNAND 20/22, Armorcache 22, likely not important for consumers)

      Red Pro = 5yr warranty, 1million hrs MTBF, 300tb/yr workload, 7200rpm, a bit louder than Red Plus (36 dBa seek vs 29dBa seek @14tb), slightly less power at seek than Red Plus (see below), the 20/22tb drives have some extra features (OptiNAND 20/22 (no Armorcache))

      Red Plus = 3yr warranty, 1million hrs MTBF, 180tb/yr workload, 7200prm (8tb WD80EFBX & up) but likely this is an "up to", slightly less noise at same drive sizes than Gold or Red Pro (see above), slightly more power at seek than Red Pro (6.2w vs 6.5w, same idle/sleep @14tb), only goes up to 14tb capacity

      I just picked up 6 of the Gold 16tb with this sale (& paypal 12% CB). The 16tb still shows as available btw.

      I wanted the 5yr warranty (+2 extra yrs with citi credit card), potentially better support/returns, and the longer MTBF rating/etc. The price was close enough. I would have considered the Red Pro if they had been $15/tb or less at the same time and the Gold hadn't been on sale, but admit the (potentially inconsequential) perks of going Gold seemed nice. I imagine I would have been fine with the Red Plus honestly....but didn't seem to be much benefit in terms of recent sales prices to give up for the 2yr less warranty for questionable acoustic/power benefits.

      Ultimately, I probably could have been fine going refurbished Seagate/MDD for much less, but oh well. Didn't want to mess with trying to stress them to see if any failures and then mess with trying to return/exchange.

      Also, beware buying OEM drives, drives from tiny 3rd parties, and the potential extra hassle with returns.
      PH3N1X
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      Ugh these whipper snappers and their noise complaints. They don't know about the road works noise I had coming out from Compaq Presario back in the day.

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      Feb 14, 2023 01:31 AM
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      superstealsFeb 14, 2023 01:31 AM
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      Quote from MuddyBottoms :
      So I currently have 2 12tb drives for my plex server. Ive got maybe 3tb left so its time to start looking for an upgrade. Id like to drop down to a single massive drive, any thoughts when we may start pushing over 30tb drives. My data retention needs have slowed a lot so 1 big drive sounds better to me.
      A decade more and you'll get 100TB… just sayin
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      Feb 14, 2023 01:37 AM
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      huetwalletFeb 14, 2023 01:37 AM
      154 Posts
      I know this is a deal forum... but what's the best way to migrate/clone two 6TB hdd data into one of the 18TB one? (then to remove the 2 old hdd as backup)
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      Feb 14, 2023 01:41 AM
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      MistaClean
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      Feb 14, 2023 01:41 AM
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      Quote from huetwallet :
      I know this is a deal forum... but what's the best way to migrate/clone two 6TB hdd data into one of the 18TB one? (then to remove the 2 old hdd as backup)
      Look up Macrium Reflect (free should be fine, but I know they changed stuff with pricing recently I believe).
      Feb 14, 2023 02:17 AM
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      Joined Jun 2013
      lampstaxFeb 14, 2023 02:17 AM
      188 Posts
      Red Pro 1M hours MTBF translate to roughly 41,666 days or 114 years .. suffice to say the drives will becomes obsolete before they die even if we take the MTBF at 10% of advertised.

      So while the gold might be arguably more reliable on paper .. does it really matter in practice ?
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      Feb 14, 2023 02:20 AM
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      lampstaxFeb 14, 2023 02:20 AM
      188 Posts
      Quote from supersteals :
      A decade more and you'll get 100TB… just sayin
      First 1TB hard drive got here in 2007 .. so in 16 years we 22x the capacity. I'm betting we'll hit 100TB in maybe 5 years or so. IMO the bigger question is price / tb.
      Feb 14, 2023 02:59 AM
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      KnightshadeFeb 14, 2023 02:59 AM
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      Quote from lampstax :
      Red Pro 1M hours MTBF translate to roughly 41,666 days or 114 years .. suffice to say the drives will becomes obsolete before they die even if we take the MTBF at 10% of advertised.

      So while the gold might be arguably more reliable on paper .. does it really matter in practice ?


      MTBF doesn't mean "the drive will last that long"

      In fact in systems with a constant failure rate the chance of reaching MTBF is only 36.8% (meaning roughly 2/3rds of them fail sooner)

      Here's Ars on why MTBF isn't great either:
      https://arstechnica.com/informati...are-equal/


      Among the things they point out-- Seagate uses a different MTBF assumption set for enterprise drives and non-enterprise ones


      Lastly, even Seagate appears to recognize it's a deceptive measurement that people mistakenly think is them saying the drive will last 100 years or something (as seems to be the case here)

      https://www.seagate.com/support/k...-174791en/

      Quote from Seagate :
      A higher MTBF merely suggests a generally more reliable and robust family of mechanisms (depending upon the consistency of the statistical models used). Historically, the field MTBF, which includes all returns regardless of cause, is typically 50-60% of projected MTBF


      Anyway, all that said, the 10x better Non-recoverable read errors per bits read spec is the more important one in my mind....

      Thanks to RAID, if a single drive just dies, that's not such a huge issue BY ITSELF, even on huge drives.

      But bit rot makes me care a LOT about non-recoverable bit errors there though, especially on large drives


      10^14 bits is 12.5 TB, so on average, the chance of 16TB (if your not-dead drives were full) being read without a single URE is very low, and the probability the array fails to rebuild is very high.


      10^15 is an entire order of magnitude lower- obviously. Thus making an inability to read the drive you're needing to read fully to recover a LOT better than "near 100% likely to fail"

      If you're running RAID that can survive one more failure then your 10^14 chances are still... higher than you might like... while your 10^15 chances are very very good.
      Feb 14, 2023 03:19 AM
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      lampstaxFeb 14, 2023 03:19 AM
      188 Posts
      Quote from Knightshade :
      MTBF doesn't mean "the drive will last that long"

      In fact in systems with a constant failure rate the chance of reaching MTBF is only 36.8% (meaning roughly 2/3rds of them fail sooner)

      Here's Ars on why MTBF isn't great either:
      https://arstechnica.com/informati...are-equal/


      Among the things they point out-- Seagate uses a different MTBF assumption set for enterprise drives and non-enterprise ones


      Lastly, even Seagate appears to recognize it's a deceptive measurement that people mistakenly think is them saying the drive will last 100 years or something (as seems to be the case here)

      https://www.seagate.com/support/k...-174791en/





      Anyway, all that said, the 10x better Non-recoverable read errors per bits read spec is the more important one in my mind....

      Thanks to RAID, if a single drive just dies, that's not such a huge issue BY ITSELF, even on huge drives.

      But bit rot makes me care a LOT about non-recoverable bit errors there though, especially on large drives


      10^14 bits is 12.5 TB, so on average, the chance of 16TB (if your not-dead drives were full) being read without a single URE is very low, and the probability the array fails to rebuild is very high.


      10^15 is an entire order of magnitude lower- obviously. Thus making an inability to read the drive you're needing to read fully to recover a LOT better than "near 100% likely to fail"

      If you're running RAID that can survive one more failure then your 10^14 chances are still... higher than you might like... while your 10^15 chances are very very good.
      Thanks for breaking it down. Today I learned !

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      Feb 14, 2023 04:27 AM
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      TenseApple583Feb 14, 2023 04:27 AM
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      Quote from Knightshade :
      MTBF doesn't mean "the drive will last that long"

      In fact in systems with a constant failure rate the chance of reaching MTBF is only 36.8% (meaning roughly 2/3rds of them fail sooner)

      Here's Ars on why MTBF isn't great either:
      https://arstechnica.com/informati...are-equal/


      Among the things they point out-- Seagate uses a different MTBF assumption set for enterprise drives and non-enterprise ones


      Lastly, even Seagate appears to recognize it's a deceptive measurement that people mistakenly think is them saying the drive will last 100 years or something (as seems to be the case here)

      https://www.seagate.com/support/k...-174791en/





      Anyway, all that said, the 10x better Non-recoverable read errors per bits read spec is the more important one in my mind....

      Thanks to RAID, if a single drive just dies, that's not such a huge issue BY ITSELF, even on huge drives.

      But bit rot makes me care a LOT about non-recoverable bit errors there though, especially on large drives


      10^14 bits is 12.5 TB, so on average, the chance of 16TB (if your not-dead drives were full) being read without a single URE is very low, and the probability the array fails to rebuild is very high.


      10^15 is an entire order of magnitude lower- obviously. Thus making an inability to read the drive you're needing to read fully to recover a LOT better than "near 100% likely to fail"

      If you're running RAID that can survive one more failure then your 10^14 chances are still... higher than you might like... while your 10^15 chances are very very good.
      This comment got me thinking that ZFS (which has iron clad data integrity) is pretty much a must on these huge drives.
      Feb 14, 2023 04:38 AM
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      MarcXYFeb 14, 2023 04:38 AM
      128 Posts
      Quote from supersteals :
      A decade more and you'll get 100TB… just sayin
      Yup. 50TB by 2026 and 120TB is on the road map after 2030.

      https://www.anandtech.com/show/16...20-tb-hdds
      Feb 14, 2023 04:50 AM
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      TerdinglageFeb 14, 2023 04:50 AM
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      Are these significantly better than the equivalent EasyStore white label drives? I recently bought one without plans to shuck it and I'm debating if it's worth the hassle to return it.
      Feb 14, 2023 04:50 AM
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      robertw477Feb 14, 2023 04:50 AM
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      Quote from Jack2o :
      Should be enough for my 15k Terabyte 4k p@rn collection.
      You are the Libarary of Congress for that material.
      Feb 14, 2023 04:53 AM
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      robertw477Feb 14, 2023 04:53 AM
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      Quote from PH3N1X :
      Ugh these whipper snappers and their noise complaints. They don't know about the road works noise I had coming out from Compaq Presario back in the day.
      My wife had that machine at home. I once had an ancient pc that was loud. That thing took a few mins to boot,
      Feb 14, 2023 05:01 AM
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      TenseApple583Feb 14, 2023 05:01 AM
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      Quote from robertw477 :
      My wife had that machine at home. I once had an ancient pc that was loud. That thing took a few mins to boot,
      That's normal for older PCs, especially until SSDs became common. I still remember my old Gateway 2000 PC grinding away while booting Win 95.
      Feb 14, 2023 05:50 AM
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      duc135Feb 14, 2023 05:50 AM
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      Quote from TenseApple583 :
      This comment got me thinking that ZFS (which has iron clad data integrity) is pretty much a must on these huge drives.
      Btrfs also supports checksumming/data scrubbing and snapshotting to protect against data corruption.

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      Feb 14, 2023 07:55 AM
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      sdaddict001Feb 14, 2023 07:55 AM
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      Quote from robertw477 :
      You are the Libarary of Congress for that material.
      Nah. 15tb at 4k that's only about 200 movies at 80GB per movie. If compressed then sure it can be more but then it's not top notch quality and you're missing out on seeing that pimple lol.

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