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Select Costco Stores: Apple Mac Mini: M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD (Late 2020 Model)

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Select Costco Wholesale Stores (link for reference only) [store locator] offer Costco Members: Apple Mac Mini Compact Computer w/ Apple M1 Chip (Late 2020 Model, MGNR3LL/A) on closeout for $399.97 valid for In-Store Purchase Only where stock permits (request item # 1486314).

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Specs:
  • Apple M1 Octa-Core Processor (4x high-performance + 4x high-efficiency)
  • 8-Core Integrated GPU
  • 8GB RAM (onboard)
  • 256GB Integrated NVMe PCIe Solid State Drive
  • 802.11ax WiFi 6 / Bluetooth 5.0
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB Type-A (USB 3.1 / USB 3.2 Gen 1)
    • 2x Thunderbolt 3 USB Type C (supports DisplayPort / HDMI / VGA & Power Delivery)
    • 1x HDMI 2.0 (output)
    • 1x 3.5 mm Headphone
    • 1x Ethernet

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Select Costco Wholesale Stores (link for reference only) [store locator] offer Costco Members: Apple Mac Mini Compact Computer w/ Apple M1 Chip (Late 2020 Model, MGNR3LL/A) on closeout for $399.97 valid for In-Store Purchase Only where stock permits (request item # 1486314).

Thanks to community member Laotzu3 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Inventory availability nay vary by location.

Specs:
  • Apple M1 Octa-Core Processor (4x high-performance + 4x high-efficiency)
  • 8-Core Integrated GPU
  • 8GB RAM (onboard)
  • 256GB Integrated NVMe PCIe Solid State Drive
  • 802.11ax WiFi 6 / Bluetooth 5.0
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB Type-A (USB 3.1 / USB 3.2 Gen 1)
    • 2x Thunderbolt 3 USB Type C (supports DisplayPort / HDMI / VGA & Power Delivery)
    • 1x HDMI 2.0 (output)
    • 1x 3.5 mm Headphone
    • 1x Ethernet

Editor's Notes

Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid at participating locations while supplies last.
  • Ratings & Reviews:
    • Rated 4.7 out of 5 stars based on 1,423 customer reviews.
  • Additional Note:
    • Please refer to the Forum Thread for further discussion regarding this deal.

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Laotzu3
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According to most reports M2 is 20% faster but it's disk access is 50% slower while the price is 33% more.

To get disk access on par with M1 you need to pay $200 to upgrade to 512gb ($799 or $699)
Laotzu3
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Recent mac's are not upgradeable in either ram or sdd unfortunately.
chi
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There's a slow SSD controversy on the M2 base models. The M1 base models have 2 SSDs while the M2 base models have only 1 SSD so there can be data bottlenecks.

https://youtu.be/bF_Lbdqfowo

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Mar 05, 2023 02:38 PM
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dcliveMar 05, 2023 02:38 PM
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Quote from GreenIdea3316 :
yea, this thing is underpowered on RAM if you do anything on it like multi-tasking, opening multiple apps, windows, etc. I got a Mac Studio and yea its a lot more money but very happy with it. most people are not going to be happy with this unless they do virtually nothing on it.
Nonsense.
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Mar 05, 2023 02:40 PM
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Mar 05, 2023 02:40 PM
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Quote from J3ff :
This is fixed with a Thunderbolt 4 housing and a NVMe drive... which seems to be 2tb for 100 bucks as the rate right now...

I would go base M2 + 2tb nvme drive all day long over a 256 M1 mini
External thunderbolt NVME is a good idea.

However note I've done this my self and the following are the performance numbers:

Internal SSD (M1): 3408MB/s read, 2194MB/s write
Thunderbolt NVMe: 1995 read, 962 write
USB-c NVMe: 709 read, 717 write

This was using wavlink external TB case with a WDS100T2B0C drive.

Also the M2 256gb would be approx half as fast as the M1 256GB.
Mar 05, 2023 02:45 PM
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dcliveMar 05, 2023 02:45 PM
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Quote from SociableMeat170 :
It wasn't a fad.

Quite a while back I was able to build an I7 overclocked hackintosh that was faster than anything Apple would put out, for less than half the price, and it worked flawlessly.

These days, the OS doesn't work (without some serious hacking) with the latest Intel generations, and the performance benefit vs. Mac Mini isn't exactly impressive.
This is false. The latest OS, 13.2.1, works flawlessly with Intel chips and an AMD graphics card. No "serious hacking" is required; look on GitHub, find your motherboard, copy the EFI, put it on a USB stick, create a bootable USB MacOS install disk, and you're off to the races. If you can read that paragraph and understand the detail you can probably deliver a successful result.

Re: performance, the i5-12400 (a cheap chip) is pretty close to the performance of a base Mini ($499) - it's still a bit better. If you already own the Intel chip / setup, or if you have a better Intel setup, with an AMD graphics card, already, the math looks pretty good on the Hackintosh side still. With a decent AMD GPU, your Hackintosh can be faster (graphics, gaming, etc.) than any Mac ever made quite easily.

It's not hard. I've several guides on GitHub myself for the full process.
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CujobobMar 05, 2023 02:46 PM
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Quote from Laotzu3 :
External thunderbolt NVME is a good idea.

However note I've done this my self and the following are the performance numbers:

Internal SSD (M1): 3408MB/s read, 2194MB/s write
Thunderbolt NVMe: 1995 read, 962 write
USB-c NVMe: 709 read, 717 write

This was using wavlink external TB case with a WDS100T2B0C drive.

Also the M2 256gb would be approx half as fast as the M1 256GB.
I'm getting better numbers than that using the newest urlhasbeenblocked TB4 enclosure. Somewhere around 2500 read and write, but troubleshooting to sort out why it isn't higher. My specific enclosure should allow up to 3150 or so. I think it's something in the OS. My other external should get close to 1000 read and write, but it's where you're at … 750 or so.

Edit:
Interesting, anyone know why 0ric0 is blocked on SD?
Last edited by Cujobob March 5, 2023 at 07:49 AM.
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Laotzu3
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Mar 05, 2023 02:49 PM
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Quote from kevinaaa :
M2 get 2 more years of MacOS update from apple
The topic of longevity is a valid question around Mac Minis since they do stick around longer than laptops.

In my experience the key factors for longevity in mac minis are:

1) App support for the OS version
2) Physical ports

Prior to picking up the M1 I was relying on a 2014 i7 16GB. App support is still fine for it and it displays 4k just fine, but the lack of any USB-C ports was becoming untenable.
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Quote from Laotzu3 :
External thunderbolt NVME is a good idea.

However note I've done this my self and the following are the performance numbers:

Internal SSD (M1): 3408MB/s read, 2194MB/s write
Thunderbolt NVMe: 1995 read, 962 write
USB-c NVMe: 709 read, 717 write

This was using wavlink external TB case with a WDS100T2B0C drive.

Also the M2 256gb would be approx half as fast as the M1 256GB.
(Sigh) - these are MAX numbers. Honestly, who cares!? When using a HDD vs. using an SSD, you'll never get anywhere close to this unless you copy large 500MB++ .ISO files all day long, every day. Other than doing that, the benchmark you want to look at is random disk IO. And at that, there's not a huge difference even in going from SATA to NVME, and from NVME3 to NVME4 to NVME5.

Put a random user in front of normal Windows 11 machine for normal Windows use, and I'll bet you money he can't tell the difference between the different NVME and SSD interfaces and speeds. RandomIO is what matters.

You can actually (!!) have a good experience with a SATA SSD on a USB2 (yeah, 2 - limited to about 35-40MB/s, how's that for slow!) interface, booting Windows from USB2. Yeah, it's slower, but it beats the living daylights out of using a HDD on a far faster SATA interface. The reason is because while Maximum Speeds (think: the BlackMagic useless benchmark) is only 40MB/s (vs. the HDDs 500MB/s SATA interface), random IO is also at around 40MB/s, and it won't drop much; it's not nearly as limited by the slow USB2 interface, since it was never much higher than that to begin with. And it will DESTROY the HDD speeds on that fast 500MB/s SATA interface because random IO, not max speed, is what matters.

People need to understand how disks work. Please
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Mar 05, 2023 02:51 PM
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J3ffMar 05, 2023 02:51 PM
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Quote from Cujobob :
I did this recently. urlhasbeenblocked TB4 Enclosure was about $119, 2Tb drive was $120.

Obviously, not cheap, but it's offset by the cheap machine. I also upgraded the RAM to 16Gb.

You can also have the OS run off of the external drive instead of the internal drive. You won't even need to worry about the TBW that way.
Yup that's the plan.

I also bought and returned an Mini M2 Pro maxed out on processor and a 1tb drive.. it was fast, but not fast enough over the lower one to make the price worth it.

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vapor22Mar 05, 2023 02:53 PM
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Quote from Laotzu3 :
External thunderbolt NVME is a good idea.

However note I've done this my self and the following are the performance numbers:

Internal SSD (M1): 3408MB/s read, 2194MB/s write
Thunderbolt NVMe: 1995 read, 962 write
USB-c NVMe: 709 read, 717 write

This was using wavlink external TB case with a WDS100T2B0C drive.

Also the M2 256gb would be approx half as fast as the M1 256GB.
Can you share the Wavlink Thunderbolt NVME enclosure you're using? A quick glance on Amazon shows these things at a couple of hundred dollars compared to the much lower price of the USB-C version
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dcliveMar 05, 2023 02:55 PM
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Quote from starcaptor :
so I expect even more stability on my xeon (for that one time a year where you get a bit-flip error).
OK, I'll bite. How do you know you got a bit flip error, and how do you know it's one time a year? I'm not a fan of users spending extra $$ for hypothetical scenarios, and ECC memory sounds like the test case for this.
Mar 05, 2023 02:56 PM
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dcliveMar 05, 2023 02:56 PM
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Quote from vapor22 :
Can you share the Wavlink Thunderbolt NVME enclosure you're using? A quick glance on Amazon shows these things at a couple of hundred dollars compared to the much lower price of the USB-C version
I bought an $11 USBC (10GB/s) enclosure for a 256GB NVME I had lying around; works great. No clear performance difference in loading files vs. the built in drive in my M2 Pro mini.
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J3ffMar 05, 2023 03:03 PM
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Quote from kevinaaa :
M2 get 2 more years of MacOS update from apple
Im currently typing this on a 2013 Macbook Pro - running ventura 13.2.1

There's no worry about os updates on old machines anymore.. (see Mr. Mac on youtube)..
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GrandMstrBudMar 05, 2023 03:08 PM
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Local store is out one that is 2 1/2 hours has plenty but not sure it's worth the drive
Mar 05, 2023 03:11 PM
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J3ffMar 05, 2023 03:11 PM
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Quote from Laotzu3 :
External thunderbolt NVME is a good idea.

However note I've done this my self and the following are the performance numbers:

Internal SSD (M1): 3408MB/s read, 2194MB/s write
Thunderbolt NVMe: 1995 read, 962 write
USB-c NVMe: 709 read, 717 write

This was using wavlink external TB case with a WDS100T2B0C drive.

Also the M2 256gb would be approx half as fast as the M1 256GB.
So the deal is, you need at least 16gb of ram in the Mac mini for it to do "well" with an external drive. You also need a 40gbps housing, that can do 2800 mbps transfer rate through Thunderbolt FOUR, not three, not two, FOUR.

Then you need to be sure that the NVMe drive you pick can at least do 3000 read/write... AND you need to be sure the drive you picked has DRAM... I will report results when I get all of this in this week!

At that point you should be just about equal with the internal M1 drive, on an M2 Base.

Also - I haven't looked but do the M1's have Thunderbolt 4?
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J3ffMar 05, 2023 03:15 PM
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Quote from dclive :
This is false. The latest OS, 13.2.1, works flawlessly with Intel chips and an AMD graphics card. No "serious hacking" is required; look on GitHub, find your motherboard, copy the EFI, put it on a USB stick, create a bootable USB MacOS install disk, and you're off to the races. If you can read that paragraph and understand the detail you can probably deliver a successful result.

Re: performance, the i5-12400 (a cheap chip) is pretty close to the performance of a base Mini ($499) - it's still a bit better. If you already own the Intel chip / setup, or if you have a better Intel setup, with an AMD graphics card, already, the math looks pretty good on the Hackintosh side still. With a decent AMD GPU, your Hackintosh can be faster (graphics, gaming, etc.) than any Mac ever made quite easily.

It's not hard. I've several guides on GitHub myself for the full process.
I didn't even have to find any motherboard. I watched a youtube video while cleaning the house and following the steps. 2 hours max and 1.5 of it was waiting for files to download, upload to a flash drive, and do the regular install. It was as easy as it gets.

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Mar 05, 2023 03:16 PM
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dcliveMar 05, 2023 03:16 PM
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Quote from J3ff :
Im currently typing this on a 2013 Macbook Pro - running ventura 13.2.1

There's no worry about os updates on old machines anymore.. (see Mr. Mac on youtube)..
As long as you're willing to hack them yourself, accept the risk if you cannot, and accept the risk if people can't make the old drivers Metal compatible, and accept the risk when apps that require Metal blow up when encountering a graphics card with no Metal drivers.

Yeah. "No worry". OK. Smilie

Sure, for a techie it's easy. For an average user, nah. Just get a supported Mac.

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