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Amtrak just introduced Night Owl Fares for off-peak hours travelling most Northeast Corridor city pairs including stops in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC during early morning or late evening, 7:00 pm to 5:00 am. Night Owl Fares are ultra-low train fares for coach travel. This deal is now available. See sample below.
Amtrak [amtrak.com]
Sample One-Way Coach Fares To/From:
New York – Washington: $20
New York – Baltimore/BWI: $15
Washington – Newark/Newark Liberty: $15
New York – Philadelphia: $10
New York – Wilmington: $10
Philadelphia – Washington: $10
Washington – Wilmington $10
Philadelphia – Baltimore/BWI: $5
New York – Newark/Newark Liberty: $5
Washington – Baltimore/BWI: $5
Terms and Conditions
Valid for coach travel only on departures scheduled between 7:00 PM and 5:00 AM
Valid to/from stations between Washington Union (WAS) and New York Moynihan Train Hall at Penn Station (NYP)Valid for coach seating only.
Seating is limited & may not be available on all trains at all times.
Fares are subject to availability.
Routes and schedules are subject to change without notice.
Once travel has begun, no changes to the itinerary are permitted.
Other restrictions may apply.
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Source: Last year I took my 2 kids to Western Europe. We flew to 5 distinct locations within Europe (Europe to Europe). Our HIGHEST ticket price was $39/each. Most of the time we were paying ~$25. Train tickets were generally priced at $75 to $100 each. Buying a rail pass for our trips was going to cost $1200. We flew instead, which was much quicker, and paid a total of $425.
no reason to take a passenger train unless it's $10
While population density and city distance are likely reasons trains are popular in the northeast, the history of Amtrak may also explain why the northeast is its main priority. Amtrak was formed through the bailout of the old Penn Central Railroad. The management culture of Penn Central remains strong at Amtrak even 50 years later. As a result, the northeast gets priority as it was the core of the original railroad.
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1. Most of the routes are in the Northeast because Amtrak/other passenger rail (commuter trains) own the trackage between DC - Boston, therefore they have absolute control over what and how many trains to run on those tracks. Almost everywhere outside of the Northeast, the tracks are owned by freight rail companies and they basically prioritize running freight trains almost all the time. Amtrak will have to negotiate (aka pay) to run trains on those tracks and even then, freight companies are super reluctant to do so.
2. There is a lot of talk about are trains faster or slower than planes. The answer is for the most part planes (if we count direct travel time). However, that does not take into account all the indirect travel time there is. For example, if I am a person who works in midtown NYC and I want to head to a meeting in downtown DC, to catch a plane I will have to go from midtown to the airport (15 min - 1 hour), arrive early for check-in + security (1 - 2 hours), get on the flight and hope there are no delays (0 - hours), fly to DC (45 mins), land + head back downtown (15 min - 1 hour). For a person catching a train, they merely have to walk to station 15 minutes early, catch the train and do nothing (or work) until they arrive in downtown DC.
3. Another reason why trains, especially outside the Northeast, don't work is that US cities are super-sprawled out. The joys of arriving downtown in a train only works if from the station one can easily walk to their destination. Since cars are functionally required for anything, that kills any time savings one can get from arriving downtown. For example, NYC is the densest city in the US at around 30,000 people per square mile while Paris is almost at 60k per square mile. LA only tops out a 8k per square mile
Yeah, the US could certainly do better, but we're not a huge embarrassing outlier compared to every other first world country like we are with imprisonment, gun deaths, maternal mortality rates, executions, etc etc.
I heard once that unicorn poop is rainbow colored.
Not the experience I had traveling in Europe.
FWIW in every other country it is also incredibly expensive to travel by rail. In many countries it is subsidized heavily by the government.
It would be nice if the US had dedicated passenger rails instead of leasing from freight companies - almost all delays I've experienced have been due to a freight train.
It also doesn't help that the stations in big cities are located in areas plagued by crime, aggressive panhandlers, homeless populations, stench of human waste etc. Source - our Recent trip from Seattle to Portland. It was an adventure on both ends.
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Source: Last year I took my 2 kids to Western Europe. We flew to 5 distinct locations within Europe (Europe to Europe). Our HIGHEST ticket price was $39/each. Most of the time we were paying ~$25. Train tickets were generally priced at $75 to $100 each. Buying a rail pass for our trips was going to cost $1200. We flew instead, which was much quicker, and paid a total of $425.
Here some examples
2021 Porto - Lisbon high speed rail for 2 person 26 EUR (13 EUR per person)
2019 Rennes to Paris Montparnasse TGV OUIgo for 2 person 32 EUR (16 EUR per person)
2018 Paris Montparnasse to BIARRITZ TGV Ouigo for 3 person 75 EUR (25 EUR per person)
I also travel to the French Riviera last year stop by cities (Nice, Cannes, Marseille, Barcelona) none of the train ticket cost more than 30 EUR per person most are 10 EUR-20EUR we even took the first class train.
And a few years back when they still offer First class on Renfe.
I took a First class train from Madrid to Seville with access to rain station lounge, also meal and wine during the trip I paid less than 30 EURO per person
Could flying faster than train, possible but you better count the amount of time it takes from door to door...most of time it is not the case
for example if you want to fly out of Paris and you stay at a hotel in the city it would take 40min to 1 hour to get to the CDG and you need to get to the airport at least an hour earlier, so you already spent at least 1.5-2 hours before even boarding the plane Talk about misconception here.