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TRENDnet 5-Port Unmanaged 2.5G Switch (TEG-S350) $99 + Free Shipping

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Amazon [amazon.com] has TRENDnet 5-Port Unmanaged 2.5G Switch (TEG-S350) for $98.99. Shipping is Free

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  • DEVICE INTERFACE: 5 x 2.5GBASE-T ports (100Mbps/1Gbps/ 2.5Gbps); LED indicators
  • 2.5G PORTS: The 5 Port network switch is equipped with 2.5GBASE-T RJ-45 ports that provide higher gigabit speeds capable of up to 2.5Gbps over existing Cat5e or better cabling
  • SWITCHING CAPACITY: The unmanaged switch is equipped with a 25Gbps Switching Capacity
  • COMPATABILITY: The 5 Port Ethernet switch is backwards compatible with 10/100/1000Mbps devices.
  • WALL MOUNTABLE: The 2.5G unmanaged switch features a durable metal housing with a convenient wall mountable design for greater installation flexibility.
  • FANLESS DESIGN: The fanless design lowers energy consumption and eliminates distracting operating noise.
  • IEEE STANDARD: IEEE 802.3bz (2.5G) Compliant
  • TRENDnet LIFETIME PROTECTION: The TEG-S350 5-Port Unmanaged 2.5G Switch is backed with a Lifetime Manufacturer Protection
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03-31-2023 at 07:00 AM.
03-31-2023 at 07:00 AM.
Quote from MasterGamer100 :
Because some 10G switches can't negotiate speeds correctly for 2.5G (very common for those old cheap switches). So for example you have a 1.2G internet connection and a AP that can handle a 2.5G connection (much more common than a 10G port) well now your stuck with a switch that can only negotiate down to 1G or up to 10G but no in-between. Also let's say your run a USB adapter to your smart TV the fastest and cheap is a 2.5G adapter and so now your in the same situation. As for why people need that much bandwidth we'll 1G is already starting to be easily saturated so why not future proof.

Yeah, I'm going to have to call bs on folks saturating their 1G connections. As for needing to connect to 2.5 devices (APs as you mentioned), that just reinforces my point. It's a cash grab by vendors.

Why would someone run a USB adapter to their smart TV? You either get an ATV4K or Shield which both can be wired and do it right, or even if you're using the built in smart crap, either way the most you're going to need is 30Mbps for a 4K stream.
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03-31-2023 at 07:05 AM.
03-31-2023 at 07:05 AM.
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This is $100. A 10G is about $300. If you have 2 gbps internet and just want to be able to use what you're paying for even if it's just for faster downloads, why spend the extra $200?

What service are you downloading files from at >1Gb speeds? Unless you're doing multithreaded dls - like torrents or newsgroups. Just keep your service at 1Gb and save yourself the cash altogether.
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03-31-2023 at 07:17 AM.
03-31-2023 at 07:17 AM.
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I want to hear all these home use cases for >1Gb. A quality 4K stream from Apple is 25-30Mbps.

"I have a job that requires me to push multi-GB files to/from the cloud on a daily basis" people, you are the extreme minority, so no need to reply.

And for those with a legitimate need, why wouldn't you go straight to 10? 2.5 feels like a cash grab.

It's the "more faster youtubez and interwebz" effect.
Move data between machines at 2.5x the speed of 1Gb?

That's like asking the use case of a processor that's 30% faster against one that is 100% faster but cost 3x as much.
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03-31-2023 at 07:24 AM.
03-31-2023 at 07:24 AM.
When I stream 75 different 4k movies at once it saturates my 1GB network!
Seriously though I know someone with a home office and a massive database on the server for tax prep data. Opening tax prep suites takes an actual 2 minutes of loading the database. I want to try 2.5G between the client and server to see if that helps... But that may not even be the bottleneck. There are managed 2.5 PoE switches where the price isn't so bad. I need PoE and VLANs to separate the security cams anyway.
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03-31-2023 at 10:32 AM.
03-31-2023 at 10:32 AM.
Quote from dslick408 :
Brocade ICX 6450, 7250, etc.


https://forums.servethehome.com/i...ing.21107/ [servethehome.com]

https://fohdeesha.com/docs/brocade-overview.html



This guy has done all the research and his website/instructions will walk you through everything.


I got a 6450 because I was able to replace the loud fan with a noctua one.
What's the power usage at the wall for one of those 6450's? My electricity rates have risen 52% in the past year, so the appeal of these kind of switches is that they sip power (usually 5 watts or so).
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03-31-2023 at 08:00 PM.
03-31-2023 at 08:00 PM.
Quote from jayhawknative :
I want to hear all these home use cases for >1Gb. A quality 4K stream from Apple is 25-30Mbps.

"I have a job that requires me to push multi-GB files to/from the cloud on a daily basis" people, you are the extreme minority, so no need to reply.

And for those with a legitimate need, why wouldn't you go straight to 10? 2.5 feels like a cash grab.

It's the "more faster youtubez and interwebz" effect.

2.5 runs on CAT5 e. Cheaper. 2.5 NICs often built into gamer motherboards
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03-31-2023 at 08:09 PM.
03-31-2023 at 08:09 PM.
Quote from jayhawknative :
Yeah, I'm going to have to call bs on folks saturating their 1G connections. As for needing to connect to 2.5 devices (APs as you mentioned), that just reinforces my point. It's a cash grab by vendors.

Why would someone run a USB adapter to their smart TV? You either get an ATV4K or Shield which both can be wired and do it right, or even if you're using the built in smart crap, either way the most you're going to need is 30Mbps for a 4K stream.
You obviously have no clue how Networking works if you don't think you can't saturate a 1G connection easily. If you have even just a few vlans trying to inter-vlan routing and you'll completely saturate a network connection in no time. As for the USB adapter on TV's. One example is Sony TVs run full android TV but have a crappy Ethernet port. Why spend another $200 when you can buy a $20 adapter and fix your problem. Also anyone streaming files from their ripped blue rays are gonna blow way past 30Mbps heck that's why people started putting a USB Ethernet adapter on their TV's in the first place because it would max out the 100Mbps ports that manufacturers refuse to update.
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03-31-2023 at 09:45 PM.
03-31-2023 at 09:45 PM.
Quote from MasterGamer100 :
You obviously have no clue how Networking works if you don't think you can't saturate a 1G connection easily. If you have even just a few vlans trying to inter-vlan routing and you'll completely saturate a network connection in no time. As for the USB adapter on TV's. One example is Sony TVs run full android TV but have a crappy Ethernet port. Why spend another $200 when you can buy a $20 adapter and fix your problem. Also anyone streaming files from their ripped blue rays are gonna blow way past 30Mbps heck that's why people started putting a USB Ethernet adapter on their TV's in the first place because it would max out the 100Mbps ports that manufacturers refuse to update.

I've been engineering enterprise networks since the days of broken ring and flashing eeproms, but that's beside the point. Broadcast domain count is completely irrelevant to bandwidth consumption.

My point wasn't that usb-c ethernet adapters are necessarily irrelevant, but rather that a 2.5 over a 1 in your TV use case is. I believe the highest UHD bitrate is 144Mbps. With HEVC you're looking at 100ish.

The fact that TV operating systems are crap and anyone watching 4k rips should be using a dedicated streamer aside... 802.11n wireless should be more than sufficient, and certainly a 1Gb usb-c adapter.

So, tell me again why you need 2.5 to your TV?
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03-31-2023 at 10:03 PM.
03-31-2023 at 10:03 PM.
Quote from jayhawknative :
I've been engineering enterprise networks since the days of broken ring and flashing eeproms, but that's beside the point. Broadcast domain count is completely irrelevant to bandwidth consumption.

My point wasn't that usb-c ethernet adapters are necessarily irrelevant, but rather that a 2.5 over a 1 in your TV use case is. I believe the highest UHD bitrate is 144Mbps. With HEVC you're looking at 100ish.

The fact that TV operating systems are crap and anyone watching 4k rips should be using a dedicated streamer aside... 802.11n wireless should be more than sufficient, and certainly a 1Gb usb-c adapter.

So, tell me again why you need 2.5 to your TV?
You realize the cost difference between 1Gb and 2.5Gb USB-C is trivial, especially if you are going USB-C and not A. I have 10Gb fiber & 2.5Gb through my home for the pleasure and practicality as I don't like waiting. I wouldn't buy this switch in particular because it offers poor value for most use cases. I recommend the Zyxel XGS1010-12 to friends as it has a better mix of 10Gb SFP+, 2.5Gb, and 1Gb ports for about 50 more than this and does go on sale for less.
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03-31-2023 at 10:11 PM.
03-31-2023 at 10:11 PM.
Quote from jayhawknative :
I want to hear all these home use cases for >1Gb. A quality 4K stream from Apple is 25-30Mbps.

"I have a job that requires me to push multi-GB files to/from the cloud on a daily basis" people, you are the extreme minority, so no need to reply.

And for those with a legitimate need, why wouldn't you go straight to 10? 2.5 feels like a cash grab.

It's the "more faster youtubez and interwebz" effect.
Can you come up with a cheap 10Gb adapter for laptops?
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04-02-2023 at 11:05 AM.
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Quote from dslick408 :
Brocade ICX 6450, 7250, etc.


https://forums.servethehome.com/i...ing.21107/

https://fohdeesha.com/docs/brocade-overview.html



This guy has done all the research and his website/instructions will walk you through everything.


I got a 6450 because I was able to replace the loud fan with a noctua one.

Not sure it's comparable because to get 10g over Ethernet you would have to buy expensive Sfp adapter.
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04-02-2023 at 12:52 PM.
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You can saturate a 1gbps.port with small array of HDDs. Im these days of 7,000 MB/s SSDs and 70 gig 4k (soon to be 8k) video files, you want 10Gbps Ethernet which is actually an older, more mature standard than 2.5 Gbps. You can buy tons of used 10 gbps Enterprise gear on the cheap.
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04-02-2023 at 02:09 PM.
04-02-2023 at 02:09 PM.
I simply do not understand why people need more than 100MB/s external internet. I can understand why people want 2.5G internal internet. Right now the sweet spot is 2.5G because it can use the existing cat5e cable in the house and switches are cheaper. Will move to 2.5G in a while - turns out the house has cat5e, but the ethernet is wired with 2 twisted pairs which is 100MB/s. 1G and 2.5 G require 4 twisted pairs, so have to rewire all the jacks. (In case you are wondering, the house was built 20 years ago and they ran cat5e and used 1 twisted pair for the landline to each room. So I will get rid of the telephone jack and replace it with a single 2.5G rated ethernet jack using all 4 twisted pairs in the Cat5e cable.
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04-11-2023 at 03:25 PM.
04-11-2023 at 03:25 PM.
Quote from jayhawknative :
Yeah, I'm going to have to call bs on folks saturating their 1G connections. As for needing to connect to 2.5 devices (APs as you mentioned), that just reinforces my point. It's a cash grab by vendors.

Why would someone run a USB adapter to their smart TV? You either get an ATV4K or Shield which both can be wired and do it right, or even if you're using the built in smart crap, either way the most you're going to need is 30Mbps for a 4K stream.

My NAS supports 2.5gbps. The NIC built into my compuer supports 2.5gbps. Sure, I'd love faster, but if I went straight to 10gbps, I'd have to buy a new NIC, an upgrade card for my NAS (and remove the one I currently have in it for an SSD) in addition to buying a 10gbps-capable switch. Those costs would add up fast.

But 2.5gbps is meaningfully faster than 1gbps for my use case. I do a lot of photo editing. I generally keep current jobs on my local machine, with a backup running to another NAS. But older jobs are on the primary NAS, and when I need to access those files, the 2.5gbps connection is bearable; the 1gbps was a slog.

I occasionally do video editing. Again, I usually edit locally. Moving files back and forth to the NAS is 2.5x faster than it was on my old 1gbps connection. That's meaningful to me.

And I run nightly backups. Most of them would be quick either way. On occasion, I've been working with some very large files, though -- having the backup complete 2.5x faster is very helpful. It means there's less chance the backup will still be going when I next need my computer or NAS.

On very rare occasion, I've got an absolutely huge task to run -- like first backing up 16TB of videos and photos to the secondary NAS, or restoring from it in the event of a failure. That takes days on 2.5gbps. It would take more than twice as long on 1gbps.

I wouldn't call my uses typical, but they're not out of the realm of realistic for a user who has any need for big files. And lots of people run home businesses or do lots of freelance work with their home computers. They can certainly benefit from a 2.5x speed boost when working with files.
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04-11-2023 at 03:28 PM.
04-11-2023 at 03:28 PM.
(Let's also not forget that 2.5gbps can run on existing 5e cabling, and 10gbps can't. If someone's in an already-wired environment, and not expecting to take on the cost and effort of rewiring it anytime soon, there's not much sense in spending the extra money right away.)
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