Price drop on every Tesla model - $49990

Not true! I pay $1200/yr for my 2023 model Y LR

Any idea if the $7,500 tax credit is going away for Model Y on April 18 as well?

​Tesla Insurance. Apparently they dont care about age, just your driving safety score from their vehicle.

Or the Nissan Leaf?
Best car for city driving. 150 mile range and below 30k.
Love mine... Best decision ever

Good post. I think if you want an EV for daily commute to and from work, or in city daily driving, a plug in hybrid is probably the best of both worlds, as long as there is a model that you like. Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime are pretty nice if you can find one.

Last quarter Tesla delivered roughly 420,000 BEVs.

Ford delivered barely 10,000.

GM delivered barely 20,000...and 95% of those were the Bolt still using last-gen batteries

Latest data suggests Tesla has now passed brands like VW, Subaru, Mazda, and BMW in total US market share- as in Teslas EVs vs all types of cars from those brands…as well as Tesla holding the majority of ALL US EV sales.

That doesn't seem much like "struggling" from Tesla.


This is pretty econ 101 stuff... Tesla is continuing to scale production 35-50% higher every year. If you can easily sell 500k of a vehicle for X dollars, but now you want to make 1.5 million of them, you probably need to lower the price to find those extra 1 million buyers. That's not cutting prices due to pressure from the competition (which largely still does not exist in the US in any significant #s because legacy continues to be incompetent at scale production of EVs)- that's cutting prices to greatly increase your TAM (total addressable market). Thanks to Tesla having 2-3x the profit margins of everyone else they can easily do this while continuing to rack up profits... meanwhile Ford and GM are in no hurry to make more EVs because they lose money on each one.









Can you show me where I can get a Corolla that does ~3 seconds 0-60 and low 11s in the 1/4 mile from the factory?

I said cost not performance. Don't compare performance with costs. A Chevy bolt or Nissan Leaf can also do go 60 in 5 secs. My argument is the cost of parts that goes into the car.

Can't speak for everyone else, but as for me i was about to buy a Tesla until Musk went off the deep end so I bought Toyota instead. Will never consider a Tesla now. Good luck to all of you who do.

I wish that was true in a selfish kind of way, but it's not in my experience. I've been trying to buy a BMW X5 45e or 50e for a few weeks now but dealers are not budging much off MSRP because of supply/demand for those model & because the 45e still qualifies for the tax credit until the 17th. OTOH the gas-only X5 models can be had for 6-8% off MSRP.

I started looking at the Tesla Y because it seems like a better value vs an MSRP X5. Im not a fan of the Y's interior options. That, not $, is what holds me back. Also, unfortunately, the avg car costs $40-50K now out the door. $50K doesn't get you luxury anymore. Maybe near-luxury, but certainly the Model Y isn't luxurious like a Model S or X.

If your state has Tesla insurance its reasonable. If it doesn't then it can be several times what other brand cars cost.

Getting a car is not an investment. According to Elon, the cost to build a car will continue to go down.

My guess would be that they are people who cant charge at home overnight (Apartment/Condos, renters), or they drive for Uber. In that case, they would be better off with a Hybrid Toyota Prius/Camry/Rav4 (if cost per mile was their priority).

I keep trying to talk my parents into an electric. Turns out they want their next car to be capable of road trips without extended refueling/charging times, so I think a plug-in hybrid is the compromise.