Price drop on every Tesla model - $49990

...but a car is not a "lifesaving drug" so you're going to need a tremendously better argument about the price of a car not being "right" than that?




And yet 50k is literally what they spend, on average, for a new car

Again you are disagreeing without providing any reasoning for the disagreement.






No, that's the definition of hyper efficient vertical integration, cost management, and superior manufacturing design and exectuion.

It's also why they're so far ahead of every other car company financially.

So your argument is really saying "It's unfair Tesla is doing a vastly better job than legacy auto" which again is...not a great argument.





Econ 101 says otherwise.




As I recently pointed out, these recent price cuts bring Teslas car pricing down to roughly pre-pandemic levels--- so you can't really claim those prices are pandemic inflated since...they're literally not?




It seems you're unaware that Tesla also ADDS things to cars?

For example since I got mine several years ago they have ADDED, just to name a few:

A powered trunk lift
A heat pump
A wireless phone charging pad in the console
A heated steering wheel
Matrix headlights
CCS charging support

All of which (except maybe the charging pad) cost more than the removed ultrasonic sensors (whose functionality has now been replaced by use of the cameras anyway)

You seem to have bought into an anti-tesla narrative without taking much time to actually learn any details of what they're really doing (or how)




If the wishes were fishes....

Teslas superior design, engineering, and execution on every aspect of the EV experience is WHY millions of people are buying them.




That's true- Teslas are generally better (as is their incidence of warranty claims, like 3x better)

Source for 3x:
https://www.warrantyweek.com/arch...21006.html



Guessing you haven't checked what the real world street price is on one, huh?

Or the availability even though they don't make many? (and in fact aren't making many on purpose)




You seem to imagine a lot of things legacy car companies aren't actually doing.

Wonder why they're not?




And yet Tesla is still posting record sales in those countries too.

Weird, huh?





That would be very weird- since as mentioned prices are roughly back to what they were in mid 2019... when the margins were still MUCH higher than legacy auto....and manufacturing cost and efficiency for Tesla has only improved since then so margin should be even higher not at those same prices.





Does your home have electricity? Because that's the only charging infrastructre most EV owners use 99% of the time.





That's true.

But as you later allude to- there's one 33 miles away in Dickson, a bunch 50 miles away toward Nashville, and another one 60 miles the other direction in Kuttawa, and more of them in other directions roughly that far in Bowling Green and Beaver Dam.

Superchargers are for road trips. Remember you'll be leaving the house with 279 to nearly 350 miles of range depending which trim of Model Y you're in.




The car should come with a J1772 adapter to use any public L2 charger...though maybe they left it out of the rental?

EA fast charging via CCS does require a different adapter though.





Nashville has 2 with a "Nashville" address, but then a third in Brentwood a few minutes away, then another in Mount Julliet a few more minutes east of town, and there's another a similar distance northeast in Hendersonville currently under construction- and another right in the middle of Nashville under construction.




Again- you're misunderstanding how to use an EV-- this isn't your fault, you don't own one, why would you know?

But you're intended to charge AT HOME.

Meaning instead of wasting time 1-2 days a week having to stop at a gas station and waste minutes refueling then getting back on the road you just... go home, and plug it in.

Then every morning you wake up to a "full" tank. You never waste time fueling in normal use.

Superchargers are for road trips--- which is why they tend to be spaced out on major roads every 50-100 miles or so.

Population where the SC is isn't relevant--- convenient to where large #s of people are traveling long distances is.

As of almost 5 years ago 99 percent of the us population lived with in 150 miles of a Tesla supercharger-- source:

https://electrek.co/2018/08/10/te...150-miles/

5 years later they've added many thousands more and it's likely most of the population lives within 50 miles of one. While driving a car with 270ish to 400ish miles of range.

Charging is a complete non-issue unless you have no way at all to charge at home

If THAT is the case- AND there's poor public charging near you- then an EV might not be right for you yet.

But ~2/3rds of the US population lives in detached single-family housing where home charging SHOULD be an option.

And many (though still a minority) of apartments have options for it now too.








Cut in half for RWD Model 3.

Remains full $7500 for all other versions of the 3, and all versions of the Y



Well, no, it can't.

In fact depending what data set you use it happens roughly 10 to 100 times less often than gasoline cars catch fire.

Here's your references for that:

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/go...-than-evs/

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/stud...car-fires/





True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced.




Hondas last year required 40% more warranty claims per unit of sales than Teslas did so that doesn't seem to be supported by actual data or facts. Same source shows this as I provided up-post for the 3x better than Kia on warranty claims data.

That's apart from Teslas being the safest cars on the road, offering the lowest probability of injury of any ever tested by NHTSA.






True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced. The Tesla had fewer problems from the factory, has required less maintenance and dealer service visits during ownership, has had FAR fewer mechanical recalls, is far cheaper to fuel, and offers much better performance to boot in addition to much more advanced infotainment and ADAS systems. All for LESS than replacing my Lexus with a new one of the same type would've cost me.

bruhh how much time you have?

No, no offense, but EV is never environmental friendly.

The greenhouse gas emissions associated with an electric vehicle over its lifetime are typically lower than those from an average gasoline-powered vehicle, even when accounting for manufacturing..

That took just a couple minutes honestly-- because it's mostly replies to the same nonsensical FUD folks have been dumping into Tesla threads for years- so for most of it I can just cut and paste from previous replies I saved. Every once in a while you have to update a link or something (like updating the link to the warranty data for 2022 info again showing Teslas rate of needing warranty repairs is at or near the best in the business) but that's about it.





No offense, but your claim is factually wrong.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles...icle-myths

...but a car is not a "lifesaving drug" so you're going to need a tremendously better argument about the price of a car not being "right" than that?




And yet 50k is literally what they spend, on average, for a new car

Again you are disagreeing without providing any reasoning for the disagreement.






No, that's the definition of hyper efficient vertical integration, cost management, and superior manufacturing design and exectuion.

It's also why they're so far ahead of every other car company financially.

So your argument is really saying "It's unfair Tesla is doing a vastly better job than legacy auto" which again is...not a great argument.





Econ 101 says otherwise.




As I recently pointed out, these recent price cuts bring Teslas car pricing down to roughly pre-pandemic levels--- so you can't really claim those prices are pandemic inflated since...they're literally not?




It seems you're unaware that Tesla also ADDS things to cars?

For example since I got mine several years ago they have ADDED, just to name a few:

A powered trunk lift
A heat pump
A wireless phone charging pad in the console
A heated steering wheel
Matrix headlights
CCS charging support

All of which (except maybe the charging pad) cost more than the removed ultrasonic sensors (whose functionality has now been replaced by use of the cameras anyway)

You seem to have bought into an anti-tesla narrative without taking much time to actually learn any details of what they're really doing (or how)




If the wishes were fishes....

Teslas superior design, engineering, and execution on every aspect of the EV experience is WHY millions of people are buying them.




That's true- Teslas are generally better (as is their incidence of warranty claims, like 3x better)

Source for 3x:
https://www.warrantyweek.com/arch...21006.html



Guessing you haven't checked what the real world street price is on one, huh?

Or the availability even though they don't make many? (and in fact aren't making many on purpose)




You seem to imagine a lot of things legacy car companies aren't actually doing.

Wonder why they're not?




And yet Tesla is still posting record sales in those countries too.

Weird, huh?





That would be very weird- since as mentioned prices are roughly back to what they were in mid 2019... when the margins were still MUCH higher than legacy auto....and manufacturing cost and efficiency for Tesla has only improved since then so margin should be even higher not at those same prices.





Does your home have electricity? Because that's the only charging infrastructre most EV owners use 99% of the time.





That's true.

But as you later allude to- there's one 33 miles away in Dickson, a bunch 50 miles away toward Nashville, and another one 60 miles the other direction in Kuttawa, and more of them in other directions roughly that far in Bowling Green and Beaver Dam.

Superchargers are for road trips. Remember you'll be leaving the house with 279 to nearly 350 miles of range depending which trim of Model Y you're in.




The car should come with a J1772 adapter to use any public L2 charger...though maybe they left it out of the rental?

EA fast charging via CCS does require a different adapter though.





Nashville has 2 with a "Nashville" address, but then a third in Brentwood a few minutes away, then another in Mount Julliet a few more minutes east of town, and there's another a similar distance northeast in Hendersonville currently under construction- and another right in the middle of Nashville under construction.




Again- you're misunderstanding how to use an EV-- this isn't your fault, you don't own one, why would you know?

But you're intended to charge AT HOME.

Meaning instead of wasting time 1-2 days a week having to stop at a gas station and waste minutes refueling then getting back on the road you just... go home, and plug it in.

Then every morning you wake up to a "full" tank. You never waste time fueling in normal use.

Superchargers are for road trips--- which is why they tend to be spaced out on major roads every 50-100 miles or so.

Population where the SC is isn't relevant--- convenient to where large #s of people are traveling long distances is.

As of almost 5 years ago 99 percent of the us population lived with in 150 miles of a Tesla supercharger-- source:

https://electrek.co/2018/08/10/te...150-miles/

5 years later they've added many thousands more and it's likely most of the population lives within 50 miles of one. While driving a car with 270ish to 400ish miles of range.

Charging is a complete non-issue unless you have no way at all to charge at home

If THAT is the case- AND there's poor public charging near you- then an EV might not be right for you yet.

But ~2/3rds of the US population lives in detached single-family housing where home charging SHOULD be an option.

And many (though still a minority) of apartments have options for it now too.








Cut in half for RWD Model 3.

Remains full $7500 for all other versions of the 3, and all versions of the Y



Well, no, it can't.

In fact depending what data set you use it happens roughly 10 to 100 times less often than gasoline cars catch fire.

Here's your references for that:

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/go...-than-evs/

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/stud...car-fires/





True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced.




Hondas last year required 40% more warranty claims per unit of sales than Teslas did so that doesn't seem to be supported by actual data or facts. Same source shows this as I provided up-post for the 3x better than Kia on warranty claims data.

That's apart from Teslas being the safest cars on the road, offering the lowest probability of injury of any ever tested by NHTSA.






True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced. The Tesla had fewer problems from the factory, has required less maintenance and dealer service visits during ownership, has had FAR fewer mechanical recalls, is far cheaper to fuel, and offers much better performance to boot in addition to much more advanced infotainment and ADAS systems. All for LESS than replacing my Lexus with a new one of the same type would've cost me.

That took just a couple minutes honestly-- because it's mostly replies to the same nonsensical FUD folks have been dumping into Tesla threads for years- so for most of it I can just cut and paste from previous replies I saved. Every once in a while you have to update a link or something (like updating the link to the warranty data for 2022 info again showing Teslas rate of needing warranty repairs is at or near the best in the business) but that's about it.





No offense, but your claim is factually wrong.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles...icle-myths

...but a car is not a "lifesaving drug" so you're going to need a tremendously better argument about the price of a car not being "right" than that?




And yet 50k is literally what they spend, on average, for a new car

Again you are disagreeing without providing any reasoning for the disagreement.






No, that's the definition of hyper efficient vertical integration, cost management, and superior manufacturing design and exectuion.

It's also why they're so far ahead of every other car company financially.

So your argument is really saying "It's unfair Tesla is doing a vastly better job than legacy auto" which again is...not a great argument.





Econ 101 says otherwise.




As I recently pointed out, these recent price cuts bring Teslas car pricing down to roughly pre-pandemic levels--- so you can't really claim those prices are pandemic inflated since...they're literally not?




It seems you're unaware that Tesla also ADDS things to cars?

For example since I got mine several years ago they have ADDED, just to name a few:

A powered trunk lift
A heat pump
A wireless phone charging pad in the console
A heated steering wheel
Matrix headlights
CCS charging support

All of which (except maybe the charging pad) cost more than the removed ultrasonic sensors (whose functionality has now been replaced by use of the cameras anyway)

You seem to have bought into an anti-tesla narrative without taking much time to actually learn any details of what they're really doing (or how)




If the wishes were fishes....

Teslas superior design, engineering, and execution on every aspect of the EV experience is WHY millions of people are buying them.




That's true- Teslas are generally better (as is their incidence of warranty claims, like 3x better)

Source for 3x:
https://www.warrantyweek.com/arch...21006.html



Guessing you haven't checked what the real world street price is on one, huh?

Or the availability even though they don't make many? (and in fact aren't making many on purpose)




You seem to imagine a lot of things legacy car companies aren't actually doing.

Wonder why they're not?




And yet Tesla is still posting record sales in those countries too.

Weird, huh?





That would be very weird- since as mentioned prices are roughly back to what they were in mid 2019... when the margins were still MUCH higher than legacy auto....and manufacturing cost and efficiency for Tesla has only improved since then so margin should be even higher not at those same prices.





Does your home have electricity? Because that's the only charging infrastructre most EV owners use 99% of the time.





That's true.

But as you later allude to- there's one 33 miles away in Dickson, a bunch 50 miles away toward Nashville, and another one 60 miles the other direction in Kuttawa, and more of them in other directions roughly that far in Bowling Green and Beaver Dam.

Superchargers are for road trips. Remember you'll be leaving the house with 279 to nearly 350 miles of range depending which trim of Model Y you're in.




The car should come with a J1772 adapter to use any public L2 charger...though maybe they left it out of the rental?

EA fast charging via CCS does require a different adapter though.





Nashville has 2 with a "Nashville" address, but then a third in Brentwood a few minutes away, then another in Mount Julliet a few more minutes east of town, and there's another a similar distance northeast in Hendersonville currently under construction- and another right in the middle of Nashville under construction.




Again- you're misunderstanding how to use an EV-- this isn't your fault, you don't own one, why would you know?

But you're intended to charge AT HOME.

Meaning instead of wasting time 1-2 days a week having to stop at a gas station and waste minutes refueling then getting back on the road you just... go home, and plug it in.

Then every morning you wake up to a "full" tank. You never waste time fueling in normal use.

Superchargers are for road trips--- which is why they tend to be spaced out on major roads every 50-100 miles or so.

Population where the SC is isn't relevant--- convenient to where large #s of people are traveling long distances is.

As of almost 5 years ago 99 percent of the us population lived with in 150 miles of a Tesla supercharger-- source:

https://electrek.co/2018/08/10/te...150-miles/

5 years later they've added many thousands more and it's likely most of the population lives within 50 miles of one. While driving a car with 270ish to 400ish miles of range.

Charging is a complete non-issue unless you have no way at all to charge at home

If THAT is the case- AND there's poor public charging near you- then an EV might not be right for you yet.

But ~2/3rds of the US population lives in detached single-family housing where home charging SHOULD be an option.

And many (though still a minority) of apartments have options for it now too.








Cut in half for RWD Model 3.

Remains full $7500 for all other versions of the 3, and all versions of the Y



Well, no, it can't.

In fact depending what data set you use it happens roughly 10 to 100 times less often than gasoline cars catch fire.

Here's your references for that:

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/go...-than-evs/

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/stud...car-fires/





True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced.




Hondas last year required 40% more warranty claims per unit of sales than Teslas did so that doesn't seem to be supported by actual data or facts. Same source shows this as I provided up-post for the 3x better than Kia on warranty claims data.

That's apart from Teslas being the safest cars on the road, offering the lowest probability of injury of any ever tested by NHTSA.






True- my Tesla (though it's a 3, not a Y) is a much better car than the Lexus it replaced. The Tesla had fewer problems from the factory, has required less maintenance and dealer service visits during ownership, has had FAR fewer mechanical recalls, is far cheaper to fuel, and offers much better performance to boot in addition to much more advanced infotainment and ADAS systems. All for LESS than replacing my Lexus with a new one of the same type would've cost me.

The credit is expected to drop from $7500 to $3750 for the RWD (base) Model 3 due to its battery coming from CATL.

All other versions of the Model 3 are still expected to retain the full $7500 credit, as their batteries are made in Nevada.

I wouldn't buy one for 20k. No bullshit.. I wouldn't

Didnt they silently increased price not so long ago after the price drop to only drop it again?

When does Model 3 RWD start using CATL battery? Is the whole car made in China, like most places on this planet, or only the battery made in China? I have a perception that US are only few places where RWD models are non China made.

I'm not talking about the emission, I'm talking about the battery. E-waste.

Look, I'm not against EV or solar panel, just wanted to point out the future problem.

None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled

Why do you care so much about the FUDs?

There is no perfect car. So there's nothing at all that you don't like about your current experience???

Also when you said Tesla also adds features... So your older car.. did they go and give you those features for free?

Dude.. how much time have you got to throw it away responding to a random guy having different opinion? Just woww

That took just a couple minutes honestly-- because it's mostly replies to the same nonsensical FUD folks have been dumping into Tesla threads for years- so for most of it I can just cut and paste from previous replies I saved.