Detailed Answer:
Step 1: Look at Line 11 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
Step 1a: For the vast majority of taxpayers this won't apply: Add to Step 1 any income from Puerto Rico you excluded, any housing exclusion foreign income you claimed (Lines 45 and 50 of Form 2555), and American Samoa residential income excluded (Line 15 of Form 4563).
Step 2: If that number is less than:
$300,000 Married Filing Jointly
$225,000 Head of Household
$150,000 Single and any other filing status
then continue to Step 3. Otherwise, you currently DO NOT qualify for any rebate, and will need to reduce that number on your 2023 Tax return below those limits. You can reduce that number by traditional 401k contributions, or some small-business options.
Step 3: Look at Line 24 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
- If it is greater than $7,500 and your income in 2023 stays the same or increase, you will get the full $7,500.
- If it is less than that, you get that amount (assuming your income stays the same). If your income increases then you may get a larger refund, up to $7,500.
In other words, in order to get the full tax credit, you must OWE at least $7500 in taxes and be under the income limits.
You absolutely CAN NOT carry over for a few years, or even one more year. It is a one time credit. Any unused credit is LOST!
Q7. Is the new clean vehicle credit refundable or able to be carried forward? (updated March 31, 2023)
A7. The new clean vehicle credit may only be claimed to the extent of reported tax due of the taxpayer and cannot be refunded. The new clean vehicle credit cannot be carried forward to the extent it is claimed for personal use on Form 1040, Schedule 3, Additional Credits and Payments.
from page 3 of this IRS document: https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2023-08.pdf
* If you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (Pull down the menu for Model Y LR)
* If you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
* You can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
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EV good if you have a dedicated charging station at home.
if you live in an apartment complex or condo its not as consumer friendly, unless you want to pay up the wazoo at supercharger stations and inconvenience yourself by having to go there every time to charge. Go to plugshare.com to see how much you will be paying in your area. Just multiply cents * 45kwh (assuming you're charging from 20% to 80%). For my area I would be paying $20-$25 per charge at a supercharger station. At home, with the national average electrity rate of 0.14 / kwh, it would cost $6
if you live in california, don't forget that you can also get another $2k in CVRP rebate. you get a check in the mail but the wait time is long to get it.
also don't forget about the single occupant HOV lane decal you can sign up at the DMV website.
basic autopilot is more than sufficient. autopilot still has a long ways to go imo. definitely not worth getting the advanced AP and definitely not full self driving at $15k. as MKBHD always says, don't buy a product on a promise of features yet to come.
also, make sure you setup your electricity usage to "time of use" or EV-specific plan as your bill will assuredly go up. Don't be on those tiered plans. Yes, you will end up saving money compared to ICE vehicles paying for gas, unless you get a hybrid, which is a bit more comparable, especially in areas where electricity is expensive.
additionally, people forget that you need to install a wall connector or mobile connector in your home. equipment costs $230 for the mobile connector +$45 for the nema 14-50 adapter, which is good enough especially if you do scheduled charging at night to save on electricity. installation itself will vary depending on your region and how much electricians will charge you, but it can get expensive. just make sure you're not getting ripped off as electricians are aware of the EV craze and asking for higher premiums on them. installation can go anywhere from $1k-$2k+. (according to poster SamirPD, you can ask the electrictian to install a dryer outlet and it should save you money and prevent you from being ripped off). One worthy note, EV charger and installation is tax deductible at 30%, just need to fill out the tax form [irs.gov] when you do your taxes next year. EDIT: SD poster hiro916 indicated that the 30% tax deduction only pertains to low income or rural tract areas, so YMMV [reddit.com].
as for car insurance, I'm paying $95 a month through Geico, but thats with a robust policy.
if you are impatient like me, and want to get one right away without having to wait, go to the waitingfortesla discord server [discord.com] and setup alerts for any time a Model Y drops in your local area. You have to act quick as they get snatched up relatively quickly. You can see whats in inventory on their website too [waitingfortesla.com]. Don't expect to see base model Y LR coming into inventory. If you want to pick something up quick settle for the 20 inch induction wheels (costs $2k extra) as they are more readily available. You can always sell the tires if you want to recoup some of the costs and get an aftermarket hubcap that look better than stock anyhow.
If you're interested in a real world range comparison of current popular EV's check out this YT video [youtube.com].
once you pick up your car you have 100 miles and 7 days to report any defects. panels gaps aren't as much of a problem anymore compared to years past, but be on the lookout for them. paint quality isn't so great out of the factory, mine came with swirl marks all over and had to get it paint corrected.
if you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (select dropdown and look for Y LR AWD US to see the average degradation over time based on mileage. on average after 50k miles you should see about a 10% degradation, and it will degrade more slowly 50k+ miles onwards.
in terms of accessories, the only real requirement imo that you need are mud flaps. reason being is because without them, the rear passenger quarter panels will get hit with rock chips very quickly. tesmanian is a good aftermarket seller, or you can just opt for ones you see on amazon. if you want to go deeper into accessories temu is a great site for low prices compared to amazon.
if you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
you can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
my personal thoughts on ownership thus far. overall i like it. i am using it as a daily driver / commuter car. i don't think of Model Y and 3 as a 'luxury' vehicle. I see Tesla as a software company trying to be an automaker, and the legacy automakers are trying to be more like Tesla by being more tech focused. Teslas are continuously getting software updates to improve year over year. Interior build quality is spartan, and the ride quality need some improvement, especially if you are in an area with poor road conditions. if you're really into tech like me, this is the car for you. Performance vehicles I still prefer ICE cars over EV's however. first thing you will notice in an EV though, is the instant torque. that is what will grab you immediately.
If you have questions and need instant feedback join the Tesla discord, I'm active on there and other members can assist with questions you may have: https://discord.com/invite/tesla
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Including things like misaligned body panels and bumpers from the factory in various other brands of vehicles.
Again, like the last 50 times you were "confused' by something, I encourage you to actually read the posts you are replying to before replying to them.
But again, some of the ones I cited from other brands were simply factory misalignment.
This happens on all brands of cars.
I'm saying that legacy dealers-- since they're otherwise useless middle-men, have extra staff that look out for this and try and fix it before the prospective owner sees it.
Often leaving the owner unaware he's taking possession of a previously damaged and repaired car.
Which seems bad to me, but it's now they do it.
Tesla, directly owning the delivery process, doesn't tend to "pre-repair" this stuff as often because they aren't paying extra people at the delivery end to intercept as many such things.
I prefer that personally because it means I get to know the actual condition of the vehicle at delivery, without potentially unreported "repairs" having been done.
I'm going to fully inspect the car either way- and I'd rather do so on a "clean" from the factory car, not one somebody already tried to cover up any issues on.
You're certainly free to prefer it the other way.
But the original question- does Tesla have more factory problems or delivery damage issues- remains a no.
As reflected in their industry-low rate of warranty claims.
They just don't hide the ones that do happen as vehemently at delivery time.
I was concerned that upon submitting a ticket they could/would just come back and say that's "within spec." But like I said, I thought it was pretty small detail and it wasn't a big deal. Submitted ticket and the fixed the gap on the A pillar. They weren't able to fix the rear quarter panel gap as the panel can't be moved. I was fine with it.
But some of the pictures I've seen at how bad the gaps are I'm amazed and would not take delivery. But like I said, Tesla isn't going to beg you and go out of their way to assure you of anything.
How many times we look at the stitching of a shirt or jeans? If we do, we will find minor issues.
Car is loud and boring af. Electric go kart.
Hybrid is the way to go if the goal is to be "slick". Once ev has a 300 range at 25k price and cost per kw stays low, then ev is the future. Plus the world has to have enough places to charge. Hopefully the power grid can handle it all.
To find any good deal is to calculate the cost and find the break even point. How fast and soon you can recoup the cost of something. It's funny to see people talk about 0-60 and not paying for gas but drop 50-70k on a car. "Hey I'm saving money" meme
My Y is quieter than my Acura MDX and Lexus GX. Starts Fast and confidently driving at rainy night because i can see cars around my car by the screen. Boring to drive???? Drive Toyota cars.......you may fall a sleep in a second.
My brother has Honda Accord Hybrid and a dealer asked him for $7000 to replacement of Battery pack. He paid $5000 over a regular V6 engine Accord in 2016. Now he is facing to get rid of it. Paying $5000 more and replacing the battery for $7000.....Not Cool.
Monopoly? Probably so. However solar is always an option.
Some could, of course, be exactly the result of transport and handling damage.
But again, some of the ones I cited from other brands were simply factory misalignment.
This happens on all brands of cars.
I'm saying that legacy dealers-- since they're otherwise useless middle-men, have extra staff that look out for this and try and fix it before the prospective owner sees it.
Often leaving the owner unaware he's taking possession of a previously damaged and repaired car.
Which seems bad to me, but it's now they do it.
Tesla, directly owning the delivery process, doesn't tend to "pre-repair" this stuff as often because they aren't paying extra people at the delivery end to intercept as many such things.
I prefer that personally because it means I get to know the actual condition of the vehicle at delivery, without potentially unreported "repairs" having been done.
I'm going to fully inspect the car either way- and I'd rather do so on a "clean" from the factory car, not one somebody already tried to cover up any issues on.
You're certainly free to prefer it the other way.
But the original question- does Tesla have more factory problems or delivery damage issues- remains a no.
So in your scenario, a car comes to a dealer with a misaligned panel, and they fix it before you even get there, and you are mad?
Why would you be mad? I mean if it isn't on the Carfax, it didn't happen, and you were delivered a pristine car. When you sell or trade, it never happened.
Why would you think it is better for a manufaturer to try to pass that off on someone? I mean the internet is full of people, heck plenty on SD, that have admitted to accepting a vehicle with obvious flaws as they did not have time to deal with it.
You seem to think making excuses that other dealers fix these minor issues beforehand is somehow bad?
But if they did a couple grand in body and paint repair that I'd have to take the car partly apart to find (as a couple of people who I cited had happen to them at non-Tesla dealers) I would be.
I provided sources mentioning they do this-- including posts from people who worked at dealerships describing correcting all sorts of pre-delivery defects.
Especially note the last link where a guy kept finding MORE not-perfectly-repaired damage the more he looked, with the dealer continually telling him each time that was the extent of all repairs as he found each thing and lying to him each time.
I'd much rather see the car first hand at delivery and see what if anything is actually wrong with it, then happen to find out when it's too late to do much.
Again the fact you refuse to actually read what you are replying to is the cause of your thinking "nothing makes sense"
Because that, like most things you seen to believe, is factually untrue.
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Not a TON of 7 seat data in the last 6 weeks, but looks like between 15-45 days from order to delivery for the ones that are there.
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Not a TON of 7 seat data in the last 6 weeks, but looks like between 15-45 days from order to delivery for the ones that are there.
I have access to this file , I have seen it in other forums. As you rightly said very less 7 seater data and a very wide spread on delivery timelines.
Also it was very interesting to see that majority people order Black Seats. I used to think that white was more popular as here in FL many Teslas have white seats.
It happens all the time... it's nothing to worry about... we can fix it for you no problem.... (or in one case the dealer just lying about how much pre-pickup damage they'd already fixed without telling the buyer). All from non-tesla dealers.
This type of issue is common. Dealers fixing it is common. Literally nothing about it is unique to Tesla other than you're more likely to NOT having it fixed without your knowledge or consent before pickup.
Which seems better to me, but maybe you prefer an ignorance is bliss approach to receive a new car.
So just like any brand when picking up a new car- Inspect it for fit, finish, and damage carefully. Take your time, don't allow yourself to be rushed. If you find any concerns you don't think can be easily/properly addressed- reject the vehicle. If you find ones you believe CAN be addressed, get, in writing that they will be before accepting the vehicle.
You can find anecdotes about delivery problems from every car maker out there. My own new-from-Japan Lexus had more initial quality issues than my Tesla did, and Lexus consistently ranks as the "best" brand for this stuff. Things happen.
https://www.f150lightni
Bunch of F-150 Lightning owners with misaligned bumpers on new trucks
https://www.swedespeed.
Bunch of volvo owners reporting misaligned bumpers at delivery (easy fix, as it likely is for yours too)
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/sh...?t=1528157
Multiple BMW owners reporting damage at new car delivery
https://www.toyotanatio
Multiple toyota owners reporting pre-delivery paint damage (and toyota employees pointing out usually they fix it before delivery and don't tell you-but sometimes miss it- more on that later)
Its the rule of tire kickers, the ppl on craigslist you want to sell to is not the guy who shows up in a beater, you want the person whos time is worth about the same as yours.
Ironically the people shouting about panel gaps never talk about what the tolerances are on their own cars, which indicates they dont actually own a german car with (supposedly far) superior panel tolerances.
Every car has panel gaps, its an issue of what is acceptable panel gap "tolerance." The claim is that teslas panels gaps are not uniformly 4mm all around the car, but sometimes 5mm or 3mm. They are never water tight to begin with, as thats not their function.
https://www.toyotanatio
That's a thread on a Toyota forum discussing mostly cosmetic gaps that seem common
https://www.ram-trx.com/threads/m...tory.6211/
Thread from a dodge forum about a new car door so badly misaligned the passenger side does not close properly....with further posters reporting simliar issues with their own vehicles (and even other brands of em)
https://www.vwidtalk.co
Here's a Volkswagen thread about tons of folks getting water (and rodents!) in their trunks from how badly they seal
(note none of these were Teslas-- as I say, this stuff happens to all brands)
BTW, even Bob Lutz (former head at GM) admitted the panel gap thing with Teslas was outdated FUD several years ago:
https://www.carscoops.c
Tesla Vision Update:
Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision
Safety is at the core of our design and engineering decisions. In 2021, we began our transition to Tesla Vision by removing radar from Model 3 and Model Y, followed by Model S and Model X in 2022. Today, in most regions around the globe, these vehicles now rely on Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system.
Since launch, we have continued to make incremental improvements in both feature parity and safety. Compared to radar-equipped vehicles, Model 3 and Model Y with Tesla Vision have either maintained or improved their active safety ratings in the US and Europe, and perform better in pedestrian automatic emergency braking (AEB) intervention.
Today, we are taking the next step in Tesla Vision by removing ultrasonic sensors (USS) from Model 3 and Model Y. We will continue this rollout with Model 3 and Model Y, globally, over the next few months, followed by Model S and Model X throughout 2023.
Along with the removal of USS, we have simultaneously launched our vision-based occupancy network – currently used in Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta – to replace the inputs generated by USS. With today's software, this approach gives Autopilot high-definition spatial positioning, longer range visibility and ability to identify and differentiate between objects. As with many Tesla features, our occupancy network will continue to improve rapidly over time.
For a short period of time during this transition, Tesla Vision vehicles that are not equipped with USS will be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive, including:
Park Assist: alerts you of surrounding objects when the vehicle is traveling <5 mph.
Autopark: automatically maneuvers into parallel or perpendicular parking spaces.
Summon: manually moves your vehicle forward or in reverse via the Tesla app.
Smart Summon: navigates your vehicle to your location or location of your choice via the Tesla app.
In the near future, once these features achieve performance parity to today's vehicles, they will be restored via a series of over-the-air software updates. All other available Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability features will be active at delivery, depending on order configuration.
Given the incremental improvements already achieved with Tesla Vision, and our roadmap of future Autopilot improvements and abilities, we are confident that this is the best strategy for the future of Autopilot and the safety of our customers.
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How do I know if my vehicle is equipped with ultrasonic sensors?
Starting in early October 2022, all Model 3 and Model Y built for certain regions are no longer built with ultrasonic sensors and instead rely solely on Tesla Vision to provide Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, FSD capability and active safety features. As of early January 2023, those regions include North America, Europe, Middle East, Taiwan and Korea.
We will continue this rollout with Model 3 and Model Y, globally, over the coming months, followed by Model S and Model X in 2023.
If you have taken delivery of your vehicle and are curious if your vehicle is equipped with USS, the 12 sensors can be found on the front and rear bumpers of your vehicle.
Does the transition to Tesla Vision without ultrasonic sensors affect Model 3 and Model Y safety ratings for vehicles delivered on or after October 2022?
No. The transition does not affect crash safety ratings. Vehicles equipped with Tesla Vision retain the same crash safety ratings as vehicles equipped with vision + radar + USS.
Will vehicles equipped with ultrasonic sensors have their functionality removed?
At this time, we do not plan to remove the functionality of ultrasonic sensors in our existing fleet.
Does the transition to Tesla Vision affect the availability of some features on vehicles delivered on or after October 2022?
For a short period of time during this transition, Tesla Vision vehicles that are not equipped with USS will be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive, which includes the features outlined in the table below.
Features* Equipped with USS Not equipped with USS
Forward Collision Warning ✓ ✓
Automatic Emergency Braking ✓ ✓
Lane Departure Warning / Avoidance ✓ ✓
Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance ✓ ✓
Pedal Misapplication Mitigation ✓ ✓
Auto High Beam ✓ ✓
Autowiper ✓ ✓
Blind Spot Collision Warning Chime ✓ ✓
AutoSteer** ✓ ✓
Auto Lane Changes ✓ ✓
Navigate on Autopilot ✓ ✓
Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control ✓ ✓
Park Assist ✓ Coming soon
Autopark ✓ Coming soon
Summon ✓ Coming soon
Smart Summon ✓ Coming soon
*Features listed are reflective of availability in North America. Features vary based on region and purchased Autopilot package.
**Autosteer maintains its 85 mph top speed, which is the same as Tesla Vision vehicles equipped with USS.
In the near future, once these features achieve performance parity to today's vehicles, they will be restored via a series of over-the-air software updates.
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