expiredleonz posted Apr 22, 2023 02:51 PM
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expiredleonz posted Apr 22, 2023 02:51 PM
Canon Refurbished Lenses & Cameras: EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM $199, EOS RP Body
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RF 16mm f/2.8 STM @ $179.00 --- Great compact prime for RF system, very fair price. If you have zooms that are 24+, then you'll appreciate the little bit of extra width w/ solid quality this gives at a bargain price.
RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM @ $399.00 --- Normally on sale for $550. Very quick to focus, very quiet, very stabilized lens with 5.5 stops of IS. Combine that with an IBIS-capable body, it's pretty good at this price point....even when factoring the horrible f/8 aperture. Pair this with an APS-C body (like the R7 w/ IBIS), and you'll get effective 640mm reach on a budget. A similar competitor is the Sigma 150-600mm, which goes on sale once or twice a year a $700.
EOS RP @ $599.00 --- I'm hesitant to suggest this, unless price is your only consideration. The R10 is $900-ish, the R8 replacement to the RP is $1500 and utterly blows this camera out of the water. But if max price is your only concern and you must have mirrorless, then it's not a terrible option. It was $600 in the 2022 holiday sale (w/ camera sling bag + grip extension), but the R8 wasn't announced yet. I personally feel this should be $100-200 cheaper given how many options are out there now.
EF 11-24mm f/4L USM @ $1699.00 --- Ok, this is NOT a budget option. But this is a pro-tier super-ultra-wide that has precious little distortion. If you do indoors work like architectural or real estate, this is your secret weapon. Your ace up your sleeve. You'll make this $1700 back in no time. Few wide lenses come close to this quality, and not really at this price point.
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$220 RF 24-105mm (https://www.usa.canon.c
$400 RF 100-400mm (https://www.usa.canon.c
$120 RF 50mm/1.8 -- nifty fifty (https://www.usa.canon.c
$600 RP Body (https://www.usa.canon.c
You'll get a very inexpensive (if slightly aging) full-frame body that's still regarded as pretty good.
The cons: you're giving up faster/stickier AF, faster burst rates, better video, and better low-light performance compared to the newer R8 @ $1500 (same form factor, full-frame). But at $900 less, only you can determine if any of that is a deal-breaker.
And in the future, you can upgrade to the R8 and all of the above lenses will be compatible. You can keep the RP body, or sell it. I don't have a crystal ball, but you may get $400-500 for it. Offsetting the price of the (then discounted?) R8....and you've used a nice RP all this time for a mere $100-200 cost. You can't rent a camera body for $50/year.
And you'll have two silent, quick focusing lenses -- the long of which uses Canon's nano-USM motor system. They're not "fast" optically at f/7.1 and f/8, but the aggressive on-lens IS helps eliminate handheld shake. Covering the range of 24mm to 400mm (same reach as buying 15mm-250mm labeled lenses for APS-C).
You'll have immense flexibility with these two lenses, as it covers everything from a fairly wide to telephoto. The 24-105 isn't too heavy to daily carry.
For anything needing better optical performance, you have a 50mm/1.8 (actual 50mm on a full frame, not a 50mm on a APS-C which is more like 80mm).
As time goes on, you can get a Canon EF-to-RF adapter and use any of the many awesome EF full-frame lenses that have been released since 1987, from Canon and countless other vendors. There are some real bargains and real amazing lenses to be had out there, and they'll be almost always 100% compatible with this setup.
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Other things you'll need:
1-2x additional batteries (only buy first-party canon). The RP tends to be a battery hog.
Third-party lens hood (Vello) for each lens. I strongly recommend against UV/protection filters, as they give serious ghosting/reflections from external light sources. Even expensive $70+ multicoated B+W filters are susceptible to it -- I know this personally, I've sunk more money into these pieces of glass just to ruin the image from the top tier lens I just bought. A lens hood is plenty of protection for normal use.
Camera bag of some sort (lowepro or ruggard are considered good brands, but it's highly personal).
At least 2x memory cards (about $30-40 for a v60 128gb SD, buy name-brands like Sandisk, Sony, Kingston, ProGrade, etc).
I'd also argue to get a better neckstrap, but that's a highly personal choice. Popular options are BlackRapid, Peak Design, ThinkTank, and Domke.
*Update, called Canon and they're issuing a refund. Super easy process and they are always very helpful and friendly.
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"Error, no shutter count information in this file."
or google canon shutter count
or google canon shutter count
Never checked it when I was demoing the rp, r8, r6, r5, z6, z5.
no biggie most new mirrorless use eshutter with zero wear. mech shutter for niche situations/
Thanks for pointing this out
Also, M-series is dead. As in, stick a fork in them, don't waste a dime. Same goes for DSLRs. Canon R-series mirrorless is the future.
(to be fair, if you want to get a bargain-priced DSLR as a secondary/spare body for stills, that's not a bad idea. there are a lot of sub-$400 options available - like a $150 Canon 7Dmk1. But once you approach $600, you have to ask yourself: "seriously, why am I not considering R-series mirrorless, like the RP?")
The 6D can be a significant weight to carry all the time, especially with that L glass. Let me do the math:
6D: 1448g
24-70/2.8 mk1 (non IS): 950g
Total: 2398g (not counting memory card, battery, neckstrap)
M6 mkII: 408g
EF-M 22mm: 105g
Total: 513g
Now, I'd suggest getting the Canon RP ($600 refurb) + RF 16mm lens($179 refurb). That's a total of $779 for a modern (if previous generation) mirrorless with an actual grip that's easy to carry. The 16mm lens is a lightweight prime, a bit wider than your suggested 22mm -- but excellent quality.
RP: 485g
RF 16mm: 165g
Total: 650g
The Fuji X100V is 478g, for comparison. It's 100% unavailable, doesn't have interchangeable lenses, and locks you into a single camera with zero expansion or growth options -- unlike a Canon R series (or M or DSLR).
If you can tolerate a little bit more weight, you can get a RF 24-105 IS (non-L, $220 refurb) -- which is a 395g lens (total of 880g with the RP body). You get a very nice walkabout lens that's image stabilized. And all that weighs less than your legacy L-series lens by itself.
Oh, you can also get a $100 EF-to-RF adapter and pop on that 24-70 lens to any R-series body. You can do that too with M-Series with an EF-to-M adapter...but once again, you'd be migrating to something with both feet already in the grave.
Also, M-series is dead. As in, stick a fork in them, don't waste a dime. Same goes for DSLRs. Canon R-series mirrorless is the future.
(to be fair, if you want to get a bargain-priced DSLR as a secondary/spare body for stills, that's not a bad idea. there are a lot of sub-$400 options available - like a $150 Canon 7Dmk1. But once you approach $600, you have to ask yourself: "seriously, why am I not considering R-series mirrorless, like the RP?")
The 6D can be a significant weight to carry all the time, especially with that L glass. Let me do the math:
6D: 1448g
24-70/2.8 mk1 (non IS): 950g
Total: 2398g (not counting memory card, battery, neckstrap)
M6 mkII: 408g
EF-M 22mm: 105g
Total: 513g
Now, I'd suggest getting the Canon RP ($600 refurb) + RF 16mm lens($179 refurb). That's a total of $779 for a modern (if previous generation) mirrorless with an actual grip that's easy to carry. The 16mm lens is a lightweight prime, a bit wider than your suggested 22mm -- but excellent quality.
RP: 485g
RF 16mm: 165g
Total: 650g
The Fuji X100V is 478g, for comparison. It's 100% unavailable, doesn't have interchangeable lenses, and locks you into a single camera with zero expansion or growth options -- unlike a Canon R series (or M or DSLR).
If you can tolerate a little bit more weight, you can get a RF 24-105 IS (non-L, $220 refurb) -- which is a 395g lens (total of 880g with the RP body). You get a very nice walkabout lens that's image stabilized. And all that weighs less than your legacy L-series lens by itself.
Oh, you can also get a $100 EF-to-RF adapter and pop on that 24-70 lens to any R-series body. You can do that too with M-Series with an EF-to-M adapter...but once again, you'd be migrating to something with both feet already in the grave.
My R7 isn't that big, but I wouldn't want to take it on a vacation. I took my M50 to Hawaii with a couple of lenses and it was easy to carry around. Yeah the M mount is going away, but it's not like the camera and lenses all disappear, they'll be around for some time.
Sure you can use your camera phone, but depending on what I'm shooting, I get kinda picky. The M50 has great image quality whereas my S21Ultra looks smeared most of the time. Switching settings would also be faster instead of fumbling through menus on a smartphone.
Dunno about the M6 without the viewfinder though, that'd be annoying to me as I hate using the back screen to shoot on any of my cameras so I'd probably add on the viewfinder.
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I was surprised the RP is actually smaller than the Rebel T5i I was using beforehand and the pictures it produced with the 50mm 1.8 were actually sharper than the T5i too. Now I'm torn whether I want to get the RF85mm F2 or not for portraits. (Since I saved a bunch of money not switching over to Sony like I thought.)
Which phone are you using? You can get OK results with LED lights and attached lens. In a super compact kit. I have 10x len attachment for my phone.
If you shoot in sunlight, canon M50 is a perfect for travel camera. Pair with lite 35mm prime , 18-135mm, smaller kit 17-55mm.
Canon ,Panasonic, Sony always make good compact 1 inch cameras with 2.8 glass. Some are under $500, $200 certified used
M6 with external EVF isn't bad, but pricey
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$220 RF 24-105mm (https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/...7-1-is-stm [canon.com])
$400 RF 100-400mm (https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/...6-8-is-usm [canon.com])
$120 RF 50mm/1.8 -- nifty fifty (https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/...m-f1-8-stm [canon.com])
$600 RP Body (https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/...os-rp-body [canon.com])
You'll get a very inexpensive (if slightly aging) full-frame body that's still regarded as pretty good.
The cons: you're giving up faster/stickier AF, faster burst rates, better video, and better low-light performance compared to the newer R8 @ $1500 (same form factor, full-frame). But at $900 less, only you can determine if any of that is a deal-breaker.
And in the future, you can upgrade to the R8 and all of the above lenses will be compatible. You can keep the RP body, or sell it. I don't have a crystal ball, but you may get $400-500 for it. Offsetting the price of the (then discounted?) R8....and you've used a nice RP all this time for a mere $100-200 cost. You can't rent a camera body for $50/year.
And you'll have two silent, quick focusing lenses -- the long of which uses Canon's nano-USM motor system. They're not "fast" optically at f/7.1 and f/8, but the aggressive on-lens IS helps eliminate handheld shake. Covering the range of 24mm to 400mm (same reach as buying 15mm-250mm labeled lenses for APS-C).
You'll have immense flexibility with these two lenses, as it covers everything from a fairly wide to telephoto. The 24-105 isn't too heavy to daily carry.
For anything needing better optical performance, you have a 50mm/1.8 (actual 50mm on a full frame, not a 50mm on a APS-C which is more like 80mm).
As time goes on, you can get a Canon EF-to-RF adapter and use any of the many awesome EF full-frame lenses that have been released since 1987, from Canon and countless other vendors. There are some real bargains and real amazing lenses to be had out there, and they'll be almost always 100% compatible with this setup.
[avoid EF-S and M lenses, as the former will incur a 1.6x crop factor w/ severe loss of resolution and the latter is entirely incompatible]
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Other things you'll need:
1-2x additional batteries (only buy first-party canon). The RP tends to be a battery hog.
Third-party lens hood (Vello) for each lens. I strongly recommend against UV/protection filters, as they give serious ghosting/reflections from external light sources. Even expensive $70+ multicoated B+W filters are susceptible to it -- I know this personally, I've sunk more money into these pieces of glass just to ruin the image from the top tier lens I just bought. A lens hood is plenty of protection for normal use.
Camera bag of some sort (lowepro or ruggard are considered good brands, but it's highly personal).
At least 2x memory cards (about $30-40 for a v60 128gb SD, buy name-brands like Sandisk, Sony, Kingston, ProGrade, etc).
I'd also argue to get a better neckstrap, but that's a highly personal choice. Popular options are BlackRapid, Peak Design, ThinkTank, and Domke.
The R6 is comfortable to hold down at my side for long periods of time even with heavier lenses, and I don't feel like it's going to slip out of my grip. The built in EVF is very handy in the sun. And it has great lenses available.
The M6ii is not quite as comfortable in the hand, but it still feels pretty secure. (Way more secure than the m200 did the one time I took it out for a day--I use it as a quite nice webcam over hdmi.) There's no built in EVF, and with the optional EVF attached, it may not go into or come out of a bag smoothly, but it does pop on and off pretty easily. The 22mm is pretty good. I usually keep the 32mm on mine with the 22mm in the bag even though there isn't a huge difference in FOV. It's just so small.
As others said, there aren't any new Canon ef-m lenses coming. If you're comfortable with the currently available lenses, though, the m6ii is a solid camera. Unless I know I'll want to go wider than the 22mm (~35mm) or it's an event where I need the reliability of 2 card slots, I lean toward taking the m6ii out with the 22 f2, 32 f1.4 and maybe a 50mm f1.4 (EF w/ adapter).
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Variable aperture lenses are fine. Work within your limits, as creativity springs from restrictions.
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