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2023 Tesla Model 3 w/ 3 Months Supercharging + $7500 Federal Tax Credit

(For Qualifying Buyers)

from $37830

$40,240

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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

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  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

Editor's Notes

Written by qwikwit | Staff
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.

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Eagles89
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You forgot to mention the $1390 destination fee, $425 for wall connector, $230 for mobile charger, $250 non-refundable order fee.
scn312
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Tesla Model 3 RWD starts at $40,240 but is now eligible for the full $7,500 federal tax credit (income limits apply). Previously, it was only eligible for $3,750. This makes the starting price $32,740 after tax credit.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design

Deal is even sweeter if you live in a state with additional credits:

VT: $26,320
MA: $26,830
PA: $27,330
RI: $27,820
DE: $27,820
NY: $28,320
CA: $28,330
CO: $28,330
CT: $29,030
ME: $29,320

Full tax credit details below, but the following income limits apply:

$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...3-or-after
Knightshade
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NO IT DOES NOT.

Withholding is totally irrelevant to qualifying for the credit.

If you're unclear on this go read a 1040.

The part where you compute tax liability is lines 16 through 24.

THAT is where the $7500 EV credit comes off.

Your withholdings aren't even looked at until after that on line 25+







This is also not correct.

The Child Tax Credit is worth a maximum of $2,000 per qualifying child. Up to $1,600 is refundable for the 2023 tax year.

Refundable credits are computed AFTER non-refundable ones-- so the CTC is only "worth" $400 off your tax burden for these purposes- the $1600 left is refundable.

Thus if you had say $7900 in tax burden and one CTC and one EV credit, your tax burden would go to $0 and you'd get a full refund of the $1600 refundable part of the CTC


Source:
https://www.nerdwallet.com/articl...tax-credit

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ls1dreams
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Does anyone know if the tax benefits would gradually fade out or just disappear? I'm right about at the limit at 250k-ish after bonus/rsu/etc though 401k/etc will help bring AGI down a little. I think I have some other older RSUs paying out though that may bump me higher.

(250 - 21k 401k - 1k FSA = 228k so i'm just past the head of household limit as a single guy)
Last edited by ls1dreams July 29, 2023 at 10:46 AM.
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dplane
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Quote from Knightshade :
When using mechanical brakes EVs are doing the same work ICE vehicles are.

The difference is thanks to regen you rarely have to use the mechanical brakes-- thus why there's lots of Tesla owners on the original brakes at insanely high miles (I've seen more than a couple owners still on original pads >200k miles for example)
Oh hey me again, please read my post right above yours. Thanks.

Also sounds like you're implying any EVs brakes will last longer, not just Teslas. That's cool. Guess that means there are many other makes out there to consider.
Last edited by dplane July 29, 2023 at 10:50 AM.
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MaroonGuitar7427
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Quote from ls1dreams :
Does anyone know if the tax benefits would gradually fade out or just disappear? I'm right about at the limit at 250k-ish after bonus/rsu/etc though 401k/etc will help bring AGI down a little. I think I have some other older RSUs paying out though that may bump me higher.

(250 - 21k 401k - 1k FSA = 228k so i'm just past the head of household limit as a single guy)
nope get 0 if over income limits. Wait till late December and see where you stand
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hello3232
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Quote from ls1dreams :
Does anyone know if the tax benefits would gradually fade out or just disappear? I'm right about at the limit at 250k-ish after bonus/rsu/etc though 401k/etc will help bring AGI down a little. I think I have some other older RSUs paying out though that may bump me higher.

(250 - 21k 401k - 1k FSA = 228k so i'm just past the head of household limit as a single guy)
Head of household is for single with dependent(s). Unless you claim others on your taxes then you are well above the 150k single filer limit
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ls1dreams
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Quote from hello3232 :
Head of household is for single with dependent(s). Unless you claim others on your taxes then you are well above the 150k single filer limit
Blah. I swear upper-middle class is the most punished for everything in life around taxes. Don't have the benefits of the poor or the rich.
LLPA fees on mortgages, AMT on W2 income, 35% tax rates. No good first time homeowner assistance at that salary. Just brutal all around.

It seems like a lot of money until you realize that to get it I live in a place where SFH's are $900k and mortgages are over $5000 now.
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LivelyTree6515
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Sick of these experts arguing on this thread…whats wrong with you ppl?
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sowhatwegetdrunk
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Quote from cgigate :
Anyway, ppl should never buy old used batteries, and 5-year old used Tesla
If everyone does that then how can you sell your 5 year tesla if you want to and how will used car market exist? Unless something drastic happens to the batteries invented so far, there will always be used car markets hopefully

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aifan
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Quote from sowhatwegetdrunk :
If everyone does that then how can you sell your 5 year tesla if you want to and how will used car market exist? Unless something drastic happens to the batteries invented so far, there will always be used car markets hopefully
He's just trolling to scare people.

Here is an actual 4.5 year old Model 3... https://insideevs.com/news/667990...gradation/
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FishKilla
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank FishKilla

Quote from Knightshade :
It's really not.


Right-- because the remote diagnostics showed nothing wrong with the car.

Why waste the customer, and the service techs, time when there's nothing to fix?
It's weird that your defense of this is that there was nothing wrong with the car so they should have cancelled the appointments.

Sure, if they told them the truth that the reason they were not getting the advertised mileage is because Tesla rigged the dashboard outputs to exaggerate range.

https://www.reuters.com/investiga...ies-range/


Quote:
"Tesla years ago began exaggerating its vehicles' potential driving distance – by rigging their range-estimating software. The company decided about a decade ago, for marketing purposes, to write algorithms for its range meter that would show drivers "rosy" projections for the distance it could travel on a full battery"



Quote:

"Tesla was fined earlier this year by South Korean regulators who found the cars delivered as little as half their advertised range in cold weather. Another recent study found that three Tesla models averaged 26% below their advertised ranges."
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Knightshade
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Quote from FishKilla :
It's weird that your defense of this is that there was nothing wrong with the car so they should have cancelled the appointments.
Why is it weird to suggest wasting everyones time is a bad idea?

Because that's what not cancelling would have been- wasting the owners time going to an appointment when nothing was wrong, and wasting the service centers time dealing with a car with nothing wrong with it.

As the one tesla owner they managed to get any quotes from in the entire story also admitted--

Quote from The only Tesla owner quoted in the story :
he said he ultimately concluded there is nothing wrong with his car.


Quote from FishKilla :
Sure, if they told them the truth
They did.

They told him there was nothing wrong with the car.

He ignored them and showed up at a service center anyway- only to waste everyone's time and be told the same truth again.

A truth which even he now admits turned out to be accurate.





Quote from FishKilla :
the reason they were not getting the advertised mileage is because Tesla rigged the dashboard outputs to exaggerate range.
Except that's not at all the case.

Because the "advertised" range in the US is from the EPA testing cycle.

It has literally nothing to do with the "dashboard outputs"
(double funny- the story admits they have no idea if Tesla even uses the same software from 10 years ago they were mad about in the first place)


This was already explained, in some detail.

Since you either did not read, or did not understand, the explanation I suggest you go back and check it out.
Last edited by Knightshade July 31, 2023 at 09:16 AM.
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FishKilla
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Quote from Knightshade :







Because the "advertised" range in the US is from the EPA testing cycle.
Ah yes, your go to line. It is the EPA, not Tesla.

https://www.sae.org/publications/...3-01-0349/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news...e-article/


The way the tests are conducted also skews the reported range figure. Unlike Car and Driver's real-world test—carried out at a constant 75 mph—the EPA's cycle is variable, with the speed increasing and decreasing over the course of the test. While this is detrimental to the results for gas vehicles, which tend to be most efficient at a steady rpm, the ability to regenerate energy under braking leads to higher range results for EVs, which are shifted even higher by the slight bias towards the city results in the combined rating.

The EPA's highway cycle is conducted at significantly lower speeds than Car and Driver's 75-mph test, with the initial EPA results then multiplied by a reduction factor to simulate the effect of higher speeds. Automakers can chose between running a two-cycle test—where the data is multiplied by a standard 0.7 adjustment factor—or carrying out a five-cycle test in an attempt to earn a smaller reduction factor, making the label figure higher. That means range figures aren't perfectly comparable across different vehicles.

The German automakers—BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche—typically provide a relatively conservative range figure, allowing us to meet or even at times exceed the range numbers in Car and Driver's real-world tests. Tesla, meanwhile, pursues an impressive figure for its window stickers, and ends up returning real-world results that are on average two times as far off the label value as most EVs. A range discrepancy between EVs from different companies might not be as extreme as the numbers would suggest. "400 miles of stated range for a Tesla and 300 miles for a Porsche is pretty much the same number at real highway speeds,"


As I have told you here before, if you drive your car on the highway, in cold weather, with the heat on, you will be lucky to get half of the "advertised" range.

You can write all of the word salads you want. but the facts are facts, and people are seeing now that they are NOT getting the range they thought they were told they would.
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FishKilla
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Quote from ggapropros :
shit i should tell my uncle his 5 year old tesla model S that he uses everyday that its actually 0mi range and useless according to a person who has spent most of their life on slickdeals.


I'm gonna tell my uncle on you and he is going to beat you up LMAOLMAOLMAO
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ananh
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Quote from c1995 :
Does anybody know if you order from inventory in SoCal you can have it delivered to your door? Or you have to go to one of the locations to pick up?
They aren't really doing home delivery in Socal anymore. During Covid, they delivered because they had more staff to do so. Right now, they didn't offer home delivery at the end of the quarter. They had use go in to pick up.
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Knightshade
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Quote from FishKilla :
Ah yes, your go to line. It is the EPA, not Tesla.
I mean, that's nobody's "line"

It's literally how stated mileage is determined on all new cars in the US.

Your links appear to complan about the EPAs testing methods.

Which just confirms what I told you, even if the fact you posted that as a rebuttal makes it appear you again did not understand the post you were even replying to.
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oghowie
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Feel bad for anyone that purchased in 2022 or early 23.

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