Beginning in 2024, everyone under the income limit qualifies for the full $7,500 rebate. It does not matter if you owe less than that in taxes, and you can get it at the time of purchase instead of waiting for next year's taxes.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/12...ford-vw-gm
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expiredDC13 posted Jun 3, 2023 9:12 PM
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edit: For clarification from the wiki: "The tax credit is not refundable, which means one must have federal tax due to take advantage of it. If the tax due is less than the credit amount, one can only claim the credit up to the amount of the tax due."
So lower income people will not get a $7500 refund, it depends on your liability. i.e. A SDer responded about a student being angry in a previous thread that they only got $500 back and not $7500.
Virtually all of the ICE vehicle can be recycled. Generally the only items not recyclable per se will be interior trim - it's mixed plastic and rubber. Engine? steel or aluminum. Gearcases? Steel or aluminum. Body, frame, etc, steel or aluminum. In fact, about 86% of a car can be recycled [recyclenation.com].
Meanwhile your EV will still have a fully and readily recyclable frame and body, just like the ICE. The motor will generally be recyclable. The battery? Not really. Generally batteries and battery packs are not really designed for recycling. Most are just thousands of individual cylindrical cells, that themselves are spiral wound multilayer structures. There's no easy way to separate the materials here. An ICE, you literally rip out the engine with heavy equipment and include it in with any other steel or aluminum - the process is astonishingly easy and quick [youtube.com] with heavy equipment.
Meanwhile, the batteries are generally just shredded [ucsusa.org]. The resulting material is called "black mass" and is placed into a bath of caustic chemicals to leech out the *important* elements. In certain cases, that black mass is first incinerated to burn off plastic and epoxies. Yeah that sounds super efficient and environmental to me.
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The Bolt has what works and you're 100% off about suspension, the Tesla rides way rougher like you're sitting in a bucket. I've owned both. Yes the Bolt seats are not as cushioned, but the seating position is much more upright and ergonomic instead of feeling like you're sitting in a toy racing car.
I looked the car up and two local dealers offer the car at $27,090 and $26,595, pre-tax and pre-rebate, just as the OP said.
I rented one last week. It's an OK car. It's more like a Toyota; the Tesla, especially the Tesla Y, is a much more comfortable ride, but it's also double the price. I used several DC fast chargers and they took quite a while, although they're faster in charging a nearly dead battery to 50% than a 50% battery to 80%, so if you just need a top up to drive another 50 miles home, it's not much problem. If you stay around your home are, and you just charge at home, you save a LOT of money and time over a gas-powered vehicle. You'll never go to a gas station again... that's a pretty good deal.
F***ing Ohio republicans, always protecting the oil companies.
I watched that movie "Blackberry" today and going electric seems like it's going from the Iphone back to the Blackberry with the physical keyboard and trackpad. I don't get how anyone thinks it's the future. If you watch anything like Shark Tank, if anyone took an idea for an EV company to the show, assuming this was a world where EVs didn't exist and only gas cars did, you would be laughed out of the room. "The car takes an 8 hours to slow charge at home, 30 minutes to an hour to charge at a fast charger, but only to 80%, but don't do it all the time, it will damage the battery. You will probably need a house to charge your car. The battery costs $20,000 to replace. On the plus side, maintenance is minimal but the car is heavier than a gas car. Range is affected in the winter."
The response from Kevin and Mark would probably be like, "I can fill up my gas tank in two minutes, why would anyone invest in this? You said maintenance is minimal but an EV has the same brakes, suspension, electrical components, a 12 volt battery and tires as a gas car and we know those definitely are going to need maintenance. The battery is over $20K to replace...who would buy this over a gas car? What is better about it? I'm out..."
I don't get it. I really don't. Don't call me stupid or uninformed, not going to work. There's like a cult-like mentality about electric in that people think that EVs are better because they're different, they don't have engine noise(although a Tesla next to me stopped at a light was making rumbling noises, don't ask me how or why) and because people think waiting to charge is somehow a religious experience or something, LOL.
Did I mention each car takes the equivalent of three house's daily energy demands to recharge? That's wild.
1. The car doesn't take 8 hours to charge, unless you are driver 250 miles per day, average driving in US is 35 miles, a 32A home charger will do it in less than 45min.
2. Everybody talk about battery replacement, but those batteries will last longer than the average person hold their car, before getting a new one. Most of them will not keep a card for more than 7 years, while Tesla (and others) offers 8 years and 100k miles on motor and batteries, and I don't see hundreds reports saying they paid $20k to replace Model S batteries (which started selling over a decade ago)
3. You don't have electrical problems, and you don't even use brakes.
4. The average American use 900kWh per month, around 30kW per day, and 30kW means 120 miles, so you math is wrong, because 35 miles is around 9kW of use per day (avg), not 90kW per your math...
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